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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sudsy on January 24, 2019, 11:04:20 PM

Title: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 24, 2019, 11:04:20 PM
I have an opportunity to buy some interesting vintage stuff. It's a friend of a friend type thing so I don't want to screw the guy, yet I don't want to over pay.
Three items I can't figure out the value of
An Atlas Machinist lathe
A Proto upper tool chest, dancing girl label (missing the handle to the middle drawer any way to find a replacement ?)
A Herbrand upper tool chest

There's a lot more stuff, like a box of Proto wrenches, another box of Herbrand and Thorsen sockets, a Snappy cart, a lot of old saws and hand tools......  and I've only been able to get to half the stuff.
I plan on cleaning up the lathe and boxes and selling them to help finance all the rest. Love to keep them but I just don't have room for them in my shop, no possible way. (Already have 30 lbs of #### in a 5 lb bag)

So whaddy think the lathe and each box are worth ?? What should I offer without being an ******** ??

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Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 24, 2019, 11:08:56 PM
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Lathe motor
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Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 25, 2019, 03:44:52 AM
You might check ebay on how much others have sold for. The Atlas lathe is nice but not worth lots of money.  The "tooling that comes with it and the "condition of the lathe" is very important. Need to do a couple of simple tests like making some cuts and measuring for accuracy.  The lathes are light weight which for many is just right, I have a 6", 10" and a 12" so I have some experience. Most the members are far better on pricing than I am, I squeak when I walk. cheap too! Bought the 6" not working for a 100$ around 1995, 10" was 450$ running and with some basic tooling, 12" was 800$ with lots of good stuff like extra chucks, milling adapter, steady rest, Quick change gear box, tool post grinder and in unused condition, many thing were still in the Atlas boxes. Good luck with the deal!
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: amecks on January 25, 2019, 04:57:17 AM
I watch values on Atlas lathes only because I own one.  Oldgoaly's assessment is about right.  I bought my 6" for $200 with a worn bed but lots of extras. But I would say in fine working condition, value up to $600, maybe more.
Al 
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 25, 2019, 07:43:31 AM
I squeak when I walk.

LOL, now that's funny

There are no working belts, just one that's rotted, so I'm not going to be able to do any more than hand spin the head stock and check to see if the motor works

Might be worth an investment to possibly save some headaches, do you know what size belts it takes ?
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 25, 2019, 01:20:39 PM
Do not know the sizes off the top of my head, parts lists and operating manuals in pdf are on line for free. Many use a cog / link belt, repair belt cause you have to take the main shaft loose in the head stock to get the main drive belt on.There should be a data plate on the ways of the bed facing the back side. They made 2 different headstocks, TH-xx Timkin head is the better to have. The other is a bronze bushing which works well but not as sturdy can show more wear.
If you can not run it, look for wear marks on the carriage and bed ways. The ways were surface harden once it gets worn thru the 1st few thousandths it wear quickly also the screw threads and brass nuts on you carriage adjustments should be smooth. If worn it will jump in the worn spots, there are some replacement parts out there, but can add up to more than what you paid for the lathe. Does it have a set of change gears? these are a type of pot metal along with the drive gears look at them for missing teeth and wear. You will hear some say those gears are for toys but most of the smaller china lathes have plastic ones that fail.
I won't mention some of the other noises I make, but some snaps and cracks scare the cats and dog. Many times people have mentioned those noises. I compliment them on how good their hearing is, they reply no you are just loud.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 25, 2019, 01:44:33 PM
Great stuff there, thank you
 I'll be heading over in a bit (or possibly in the morning) so I printed out those things to look at to bring along
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Lostmind on January 25, 2019, 02:05:16 PM
My opinion is it all looks like space hogs. If you can get it for scrap value it might be worth your time and effort.
Nothing looks to be in " Good " condition.
Very tough to sell heavy stuff needing work.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: skipskip on January 25, 2019, 06:30:58 PM
spend a few minutes looking for prices of "lathe legs".


It will be enlightening, as  they often are worth more than the lathe.

Skip
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 25, 2019, 10:28:12 PM
Wow, very enlightened
If I break this thing down, clean and sell the parts, I'll get at least double what I would cleaning it up and selling the whole unit
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: skipskip on January 25, 2019, 10:32:32 PM
Wow, very enlightened
If I break this thing down, clean and sell the parts, I'll get at least double what I would cleaning it up and selling the whole unit


thats how I pay for my old tool  addiction
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 25, 2019, 10:58:23 PM
Just checking - this is it right ??

http://www.vintagemachinery.org/pubs/51/3440.pdf
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 26, 2019, 10:52:52 AM
looks like it.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: lptools on January 26, 2019, 01:14:57 PM
Hello, Sudsy. Full sets of lathe gears also do well on the open market. Keep an eye open to see if the guy had any spares. Regards, Lou
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 26, 2019, 07:34:06 PM
Here's today's haul, have to go back tomorrow for the rest and for the lathe
A lot of Proto and SK with some Thorsen, Williams, Snappy, and Gilliam (which I'm not familiar with)

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This set doesn't belong in this box:

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A pretty good set of auto body tools

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Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 26, 2019, 07:43:36 PM
you did good!
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Papaw on January 26, 2019, 07:45:14 PM
WOW !

What a haul !
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 26, 2019, 11:21:35 PM
And these

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Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 26, 2019, 11:23:14 PM
And forgot this

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Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: gibsontool on January 27, 2019, 11:05:34 AM
In the picture of the auto body tools there is a strange looking clamp on top of the tool box,what would that guy be used for?
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: rr on January 27, 2019, 11:26:40 AM
that's a nice little lathe ,I have one as well I use for small stuff . it looks very complete , with counter drive and original stand ,don't look too worn to me . that light rust and grease will clean up .
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: papadan on January 27, 2019, 12:31:12 PM
Nice haul, I have most of that assortment in my everyday use tools. Really like a AJ Foyt box.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 27, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
In the picture of the auto body tools there is a strange looking clamp on top of the tool box,what would that guy be used for?

I believe it is a vulcanizing clamp for patching old style tires
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 27, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
The clamp like thing is a vulcanizer for old tubes/tires.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: lptools on January 27, 2019, 04:45:02 PM
Hello, Sudsy. That is a very nice haul, looks like a good set of body tools !!!! Regards, Lou
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 28, 2019, 12:37:14 AM
that's a nice little lathe ,I have one as well I use for small stuff . it looks very complete , with counter drive and original stand ,don't look too worn to me . that light rust and grease will clean up .

Got it home this afternoon
It's coming along

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Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 28, 2019, 12:39:27 AM
Could use a paint recommendation as close to this grey as possible
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 28, 2019, 09:23:58 AM
There are atlas/craftsman lathe groups on yahoo and facebook. One thing you need to be aware of there is another 6 by 18 craftsman lathe that is totally different. Don't remember who made it.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 28, 2019, 09:33:16 AM
Dunlop

This is not a Craftsman badged Atlas
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: jdjax on January 28, 2019, 10:45:28 AM
I agree with getting a "link belt" instead of using a v-belt, unless you plan on removing the spindle. Are there any gears that came with it?  In order to cut threads with that lathe you have to have different gears to make different thread pitches.
I also see that it is missing the handle for the hand wheel on the tail stock, you can probably get one on Ebay. If you get a handle it is a friction fit (I think that is the right term)and you push it in while twisting it right to left.

I just noticed that the handle for the cross feed crank is missing as well. Something you might consider getting for it that may help with the value is to get a right handed Armstrong tool holder with a used right hand ground1/4" HSS (high speed steel) tool bit from Ebay which for both would cost you around $20. Then it should be ready to make chips.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 28, 2019, 11:57:19 AM
So the chuck is very stuck
Any tips on how to get it off ?
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 28, 2019, 01:24:33 PM
Stuck on the spindle threads? or the jaws are stuck?
Spindle threads put it in backgear, push in your spindle lock pin, open jaws of chuck to slide a pc of bar stock or crescent wrench handle and carefully push down on the bar stock. Don't want to shear the pin or break a gear. also make yourself a way guard to protect the lathe bed from the chuck hitting it.
If the chuck jaws are stuck take it off and soak in diesel fuel or kerosene for a week or two to soften up the old grease they may have used.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 28, 2019, 06:33:40 PM
I decided to do a complete teardown of the headstock assembly, so since I had the spindle with the stuck chuck out, getting it off was easy.
I hit it with PB Blaster last night so it had quite a few hours to soak, and that did the trick. Held the spindle with a bit of scotch-brite pad and twisted the chuck right off

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Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 28, 2019, 06:36:51 PM
I know, not exactly the right tool for that job, but it's what I have

Tight little machine here !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0G_inqH5i4&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0Ze2woCDfypzmapXE7QU-yObg5vdGVroID5er4sEEWgESQpV52dMHhEtI
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: lptools on January 28, 2019, 07:01:51 PM
Hello, Sudsy. Looks great!!! And the right tool , is the tool at hand that gets the job done!!!!  Regards, Lou
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 28, 2019, 08:40:46 PM
Sudsy,You have a Milwaukee 181x pneumatic plannishing hammer air motor.  were there any hoops or frames? Here is a pic with the 6 frames I know of.If you go to sell it you probably will get the rest for free and pocket a few bucks!I don't need one have 3 Milwaukee's
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 28, 2019, 08:52:43 PM
FYI a guy is remaking the air motors for about 3k, the lower pin some one is making for a 100$ each, dies no one is make to sell yet.  I made a jig to make new springs but my shoulders are shot. Made about a 6 pins and 40-50 dies for myself. I missed seeing in your second batch of pics.There are 3 knock brands that look similar, M/W sued them and they ceased making them around 1952-3 Snap-on, Thor, Body-Master were the brands, made by Wilray manufacturing
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 29, 2019, 03:02:07 AM
Sudsy,You have a Milwaukee 181x pneumatic plannishing hammer air motor.  were there any hoops or frames? Here is a pic with the 6 frames I know of.If you go to sell it you probably will get the rest for free and pocket a few bucks!I don't need one have 3 Milwaukee's

I just figured out what that was and looked it up on ebay - Gotta love surprises like that !I have to get over their again, supposedly there'e a big wood lathe in the basement - I'm not so much a nuts n bolts guy, but I'm very into wood turning

I'm going to look around for any hoops now that I know what they are.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 29, 2019, 03:03:52 AM
I need to track down a handle nut for the lathe

Anyone know what this type of nut is called ?

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/x4kAAOSwPg9cDvxq/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 29, 2019, 08:24:47 AM
You can make one on the lathe, turn down the nut on one side to fit the handle.

Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on January 29, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
Doh !!
Perfect first project
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on January 29, 2019, 10:21:36 AM
Been there done that, never did figure out where they go? make a spare!
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: JohnD on February 13, 2019, 09:37:36 AM
Motor on lathe with integral switch is maybe "explosion proof" from a 1940s/50s gas pump. There would have been a sealed cover and hard wiring where the 2 prong plug is hanging out. I've gutted a couple old pumps that were getting cosmetically restored and saved similar ones. Very nice quality motors compared to the cheap ones from washing machines and the like. I used one on a horizontal band saw and rigged the built in switch to shut off at bottom of cut. Sealed nature of motor also prevents cutting debris from entering.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: oldgoaly on February 13, 2019, 09:49:43 AM
Hey Sudsy!This is my hi-tech spray coolant. a old spray cleaner sample bottle has been working for about 20 years.  I keep a little thread cutting oil in the ibuprofen  bottle with a flux brush nearby. Always good idea to keep a oil can nearby to give the motor and bearings a little lube from time to time.
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: Sudsy on February 13, 2019, 11:25:37 PM
Appreciate it guys, but I decided to let it go
Sold it for a fair price and a 33 gal air compressor
Title: Re: Hey guys, been a while but just stumbled into something and need some opinions
Post by: p_toad on February 14, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
I recalled seeing this from old saws (the spanner nut) -

"Medallions have split-style nuts on the screws (also known as spanner nuts)"

I have also seen these on plumbing.