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Wrench Forum => Wrench Forum => Topic started by: coolford on December 16, 2019, 02:35:11 PM

Title: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: coolford on December 16, 2019, 02:35:11 PM
The items were in a box lot along with an estwing hammer, stanley awls, brass hinges etc.  From the top, Snap-on ratchet 71-M, Starrett level 98-8 included box and Stanley level 36G dirty but good, all as found.  Auction was cold, but still a lot of guys there but they were more interested in the mechanics tools.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: gibsontool on December 16, 2019, 04:43:49 PM
Nice stuff and a great price,does the Starrett level have a groove in the base?
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: coolford on December 16, 2019, 06:44:52 PM
Yes, the Starrett level has the groove in the base.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: Bill Houghton on December 16, 2019, 09:20:30 PM
I'll give you $12 for the two levels and throw in shipping.  You can double your investment and get all the other tools in that box lot for free!
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: Downwindtracker2 on December 17, 2019, 10:52:37 AM
I wouldn't bother with lottery tickets because you have burned all your luck already. Those are precise machinist levels used for setting up machinery.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: coolford on December 17, 2019, 02:35:15 PM
And as luck would have it, I didn't even have that Snap-on ratchet in my collection.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: lptools on December 17, 2019, 04:49:29 PM
Hello, Coolford. Sounds like you had a great day!! Regards, Lou
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: Bill Houghton on December 17, 2019, 08:49:36 PM
Those are precise machinist levels used for setting up machinery.
Is the Stanley 36 series level a machinist level?  Stanley was rather vague in its catalog about the rating for the levels, and I always assumed they were high-grade carpenter's levels, since Stanley offered a series (34 series) of levels similar to the pictured Starrett level.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: Downwindtracker2 on December 17, 2019, 10:26:38 PM
I think Stanley might have called them that. I don't trust my memory anymore. Starrett might have made one as well. I've never used one. And every time I've seen one at the fleamarket , they have wanted more than I was willing to pay. So I've never got to play with one. I've used machinist levels, but that's different. Mine is Moore&Wright.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: gibsontool on December 18, 2019, 09:23:04 AM
Stanley made a model 36 and a 36G the G version had the grooved bottom and was referred to as a shaft or shafting level. the 36 models were made from 1898 to 1977. They made a 6,9,12,18 and 24" version. This info is from John Walters great book on Stanley tools ( page 276 if you happen to have a copy ). I still have several of the Starrett shaft levels left over from when I was in working. Starretts version was offered is several different lengths and with varying degrees of accuratecy. I never worked with a Stanley version of a shaft level and Walters does not talk about accuratcey in his book. I know Sttarret made one version that was almost too accurate for some jobs, the increments were in 1 thou graduations and for most machinery installations in sawmills pulp mills and mines this degree of accuratecy was not required. The popular ones we used were 3 or 5 thou per graduation.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: EVILDR235 on December 18, 2019, 09:56:05 AM
Those Sttarret ones are highly sought after. Better lock it in a safe. Very expensive both new and used as anything Sttarret. I have a Sttarret 5/8 drive ratchet with a patent date over 100 years old. It uses stamped steel sockets.

EvilDr235
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: jdjax on December 18, 2019, 10:09:41 AM
Those are precise machinist levels used for setting up machinery.
Is the Stanley 36 series level a machinist level?  Stanley was rather vague in its catalog about the rating for the levels, and I always assumed they were high-grade carpenter's levels, since Stanley offered a series (34 series) of levels similar to the pictured Starrett level.


In the 1958 Stanley catalog the "34v" is listed as a machinist level and is nickel plated. And yes it is similar in shape
as the Starrett "98-8 in the Pic from coolford.
The "36" (smooth bottom) and the "36g" (grooved bottom) is listed as a Japanned iron plumbs and levels.
Recommended for carpenters, plumbers, millwrights, electricians, etc. And the "37g" is the same as the"36g"
but it is nickel plated.

One difference I see other than the shape is the "34" series uses "ground glass" and all the other levels use "proved glass" vials.
I have a 24 inch "36g" and one thing I know is, it is not very practical to use for finish carpentry or plumbing and I have
done both in high end construction.

Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: jdjax on December 18, 2019, 10:29:51 AM
Sorry gibsontool I did not intend to repeat what you wrote. I am slow.
A shaft level or use for machinery leveling would be very practical for the "36g".
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: gibsontool on December 18, 2019, 12:56:37 PM
One of these days I'll dig out the shaft levels I have and take some pictures. If anybody is interested in a trade or a purchase let me know and that may get me moving a little faster.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: Downwindtracker2 on December 18, 2019, 07:16:34 PM
So I did see millwright. Millwrights do precision machine set ups. In my day, we used optical levels. They could be read to a thou, but light bends, so they weren't that accurate. Now they use lasers, they don't bend.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: Bill Houghton on December 19, 2019, 11:38:07 AM
They could be read to a thou, but light bends, so they weren't that accurate. Now they use lasers, they don't bend.
Light bends, yes*, but normally only around strong gravitational fields.  Were you doing work near the Sun?
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*Or, according to one interpretation of the General Theory of Relativity, space bends near strong gravitational fields, and the light follows the curvature of space in that area.
Title: Re: Part of a $6.00 box lot
Post by: Downwindtracker2 on December 19, 2019, 03:33:35 PM
Heat waves easily bend light, just ask someone who shoots Farky class in the afternoon.  :grin: