Tool Talk
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: 1930 on July 20, 2011, 10:05:32 AM
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I am looking for this screwdriver, it appears to be one of only two possabilitys for my own tool-kit. Any help would be appreciated with finding it. Possibly three different lengths were made and I would like to eventually find all 3 while I continue my research and try and pinpoint which my be correct
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I am also hoping that someone can help me identify these screwdrivers. I have collected them always thinking I was getting Dodge screwdrivers but just recenly someone on e-pay showed a screwdriver like the one I have shown in the post above.
Do you see how her hips just seem a little more slender??
I thought when I had seen it the seller had it all wrong but when I compared it to the photo above which is from a 27 parts book I started thinking that I have it all wrong.
The medium sized one in the picture below has me really scared because the ferrulle is different from the other two.
Didnt Ford also use a similar driver?
Are there any identifying marks on the Fords. I see none on these.
What do I really have here??
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Those look amazing similar to some of these from the chevy tool site http://1940chevrolet.com/screwdrivers
p.s. I haven't forgot the pliers we spoke about, just got busy with some stuff. I'll get them out asap.
-aaron
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Thanks Aaron, I know there are some Ford guys on here so hopefully we can get a little more info. I have been wondering what happened to the pliers, I look forward to seeing them. I want them but dont want to look for any more since you told me you would send those.
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The Ford screwdrivers are different from the ones you have pictured. The Model T used one with a square shaft that goes all the way through the handle. The Model A, V-8, and N series tractors used a screwdriver that had a round shaft that also went all the way through the handle. (I guess I need to figure out again how to post some pictures, I did post a few on the old site).
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Thanks BR. I guess I am confused on your meaning. The middle largest driver has a square shaft, the other two have a round shaft so I guess maybe my confusion is here.........had a round shaft that also went all the way through the handle. .........If you have pict. that would better help me understand my e-mail is jhason2@yahoo.com and I can post them here. Thanks
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I will send you some pictures when I have time, probably next week. (going away this weekend)
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Sounds good, have fun
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1930, wanted you you to see these black handle screwdrivers. Seems to be the same shape wood handle as you show in your pic. However the ferrulles are different, the small one has a taper to it, and the bottom does not.
Um, the small one indeed is bent, to, mmmm, allow for the curvature of the earth.
Brian L.
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Thanks Brian, if they are for sale than I would like them, the bottom one that you show appears to match the bottom one that I show, as Aaron pointed out some of these look similar to Chevy tool-kit drivers but the pict. are poor that the Chevy site shows so need to work on that further.
I am looking now for this driver, I am friendly with a gentleman in Canada that is a big of a Maxwell fanatic as I am Dodge and although he tells me that he has never seen a late model Maxwell screwdriver he has identified this as a possability solely based on screwdrivers of the era.
I am in the middle of tryig to contact all 21-25 Maxwel owners and 28-29 Dodge 25-26 Chrysler owners to narrow down what this part # 51825 might be.
Chances are slim ( although I did send a disposable camera this week to one old timer that says he has a driver but he is not sure if it is original ) that I may find this thing so I may have to settle for the time being for this driver I show here now. If anyone has one of these ( they came in various lengths ) ( desc in maxwell literauture states 51824 short and 51825 long ) I would like to have it.
The driver looks similar to an example I have posted above but the portion of the handle just before it enters the ferrule appear different.
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I have a similar screwdriver but the shank doesn't go to the end of the handle. The shank measures 3 1/8". I can't find any markings on it. I also have an older screwdriver that is marked "MARCY" on the shank but I can't find any information on it and hoping someone here can help me on both of these. Thanks.
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MARCY screwdriver
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> "MARCY"
Perhaps the Marcy Tool Works, Putnam,CT.
They are listed in motor age as making scrapers, and Iron age mentions that they are installing wood turning equiptment to make tool handles...(1921)
(Allie W. Marcy )
They are listed elsewhere under chisels also...screwdrivers seems plausable...
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Thats a pretty driver Sertis, let me know if its for sale
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I rounded up this group in some of my stuff. #3 is the only one that I see that is marked. I believe it says Great Neck Tool Steel USA. Tool Steel and USA is worked in and around the Great Neck name. The shank goes through the handle and is peened over at the top of the handle. 9 3/8 inches over all length. Details are available on the others if there is intrest. #4 the shank is bent.
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Thanks for the effort Lewill, I dont think any of those quite match what I am looking for though, this driver does not have the pin thru the escutchion to hold it onto the handle. Look at this posted picture and let me know if this matches any you have, I think this picture will be much clearer
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Nope, none like that. I just threw those out there in case they matched something else that would help you out.
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Lewill can you clean up # 10 a bit and tell me what you think in comparison to this driver. I had to send this guy a disposable camera because he did not do the internet and unfortunately the pict. are poor but this might be the best candidate that I have found yet.
My Maxwell friend in Canada is also very excited, if anyone has this screwdriver in any length I would like to purchase. This particular driver is approx 6.5 in length, if it is correct than it is prob. the shorter of the two lengths that I know of that were available
Again I know the pictures are poor, it appears that where the ferrule ends and the wood starts is seamless in appearance. Looks like the contour of the ferrule is flowed right on up into the wood much like the # 10 that lewill shows.
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My #10 is about 6 5/16 inches long. Handle & ferrule are 3 3/4 inches long. Shank is 2 9/16 inches long. Handle is 1 inch in diameter and the ferrule is pressed on. I'll try and clean it lightly and get another picture or 2.
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Ok sounds good
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After a little cleaning, these are the pictures. The ferrule looks like it might be 2 pieces. look at the pictures and you can see the parting line and there is a key tab that extends up towards the handle for about 1/8 of an inch. this tab is at 2 positions on the ferrule 180 degrees apart. As the pictures show the edges of the tip are rounded over. PM if you are interested.
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Hi Lewill and thanks agin for the screwdriver but I have to ask, are you sure this is a screwdriver, if you look in the last picture you posted you can see that the tip isnt a conventional tip that I have ever seen and both sides of the tip are identical in that it has the raised edges of the shaft.
I did not notice this in the picture and if I had I would have thought that maybe it was beat with a hammer but with both sides being the same I am wondering if this is actually some sort of carving tools.
Again, thank-you for sending it and taking the time to even look for me. Just so everyone knows Lewill asked for nothing other than postage so this inquiry is in no way a complaint, I am as stated just curious.
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If it is a carving tool, and I've seen some screwdrivers made into field-expedient chisels, it didn't start life that way. No carving tool I've ever seen has ever had that kind of handle. It's not a good chisel handle -- doesn't fit the hand quite right for carving -- it's a screwdriver handle, made for twisting.
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It was machined with the center of tip being shallower than the outer edges and I have never seen a screwdriver with that sort of tip, I was hoping that maybe someone had. Dont really see what purpose that would serve as a screwdriver
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My impression looking at it, is someone took a regular flared screwdriver and tried to make it into a cabinet screwdriver by hammering the flared sides in, which resulted in rolled edges and a thick-side / thin-center profile of the blade (in which case filing would have been a better option)
Edit: add pic
The reason i think that is the direction of the curve on the edge where it was ground, on flared tips, it curves outward, because the shaft was squashed before grinding, on a cabinet type tip, only round stock is ground, so it flares inward...
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Mystery solved, It is a screwdriver. I found the identical screwdriver ( or so I had a hunch ) for sale on E-bay, item # 320744744617. I didnt want the other drivers, I have no use for them so I asked seller to send me the 3rd over from the right and adjust my invoice to reflect 10 bucks free shipping, he agreed but it was at that time he told me that the screwdriver had possibly been damaged on the handle, I asked where, I dont see any damage and I blew up the picture, he said on the back of the handle there may be a piece missing or it may have just been designed that way.
Well I got the driver today and nearly half of the back of the handle is missing and has been missing a very long time. I really dont care about that as in my opinion the flaw gives it character but I do think its amusing how some sellers think that some buyers would not know better.
The driver is identical in every single way except the tip is like a normal screwdriver so I guess this one Lewill sent has just been modified after all, again I dont care, it gives it character but I may just grind that character out one day if I can confirm some ideas.
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1930 Did you see this mother laod of wood handled screw drivers on eBay?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/old-vintage-tool-lot-44-wood-handle-screwdrivers-misc-/220846540920?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336b7ac878
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Man that is alot of screwdrivers, thanks
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I am looking for this screwdriver, it appears to be one of only two possabilitys for my own tool-kit. Any help would be appreciated with finding it. Possibly three different lengths were made and I would like to eventually find all 3 while I continue my research and try and pinpoint which my be correct
If you are still looking, this seller: beckert18 :has listed several screwdrivers yesterday on ebay you may want to check.
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I dont know how to find items for sale just using the sellers screen-name ?
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Here is a link to his items- http://www.ebay.com/sch/beckert18/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/beckert18/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1)
Go to search, click advanced, and on the left you click on Seller under "Search By"
I looked at his completed listings and he has not been selling at his prices in the last few months. Lots of listings but very low number of sales.
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Thanks, I did not know you could search that way, yes he does have some interesting items.