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Offline Papaw

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Is this mark real?
« on: February 09, 2014, 10:00:24 PM »
This scraper on Ebay is described as a Buffum Tool Co. scraper, and the name looks OK, but the logo doesn't look right to me.
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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2014, 10:20:51 PM »
This one is real-
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 10:22:43 PM by Papaw »
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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2014, 04:32:22 AM »
The metal all looks the same to me, I blew the pic up and it looks consistant with the blade.
That would be hard to duplicate.
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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2014, 05:10:19 AM »
I am certain that these two logos are not the same-The second one is consistent with the ones I have seen on other Buffum tools, both on ones in my collection and ones I have seen on the web.
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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2014, 08:19:39 AM »
The scraper appears to be a very crude drop forge compared to the alligator, my guess would be an early tool, with poor conformance of the dies, but probably a legit logo, the work required to make a fake is going to be more than the tool would be worth...
Just a weathered light rust/WD40 mix patina.

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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2014, 08:39:20 AM »
For sure the swastika on the alligator wrench is much "crisper" and more defined than the eBay example.  Perhaps the eBay example was done by a rookie die sinker on a Monday morning. :)

I have a Buffum scraper also but it does not have a logo on it.  However if it was on the bottom, like the eBay one, then it could be missing because of the amount of sharpening that was done.  Mine is pretty thin.  I'll look closer when I get it out at Flywheelers.

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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2014, 09:41:03 AM »
I guess everybody knows this is NOT a Nazi Swastika
This marking of old in the USA, was also known as a "good luck" insignia.
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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2014, 12:30:32 PM »
"I guess everybody knows this is NOT a Nazi Swastika" Mr Chuck.
Glad you mentioned that Mr chuck. I wasn't sure but I did know that the symbol had other better meanings before the war.
So did people who owned these tools ever grind the logo off because of the association?
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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 01:37:08 PM »
The Nazis ruined several otherwise good things. There was a jar rubber company that used to use the ancient good luck symbol. I recall theirs was in the center of a shamrock
 The famous Nazi dagger was actually a very old Swiss pattern knife.

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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2014, 06:11:03 PM »
OT a little bit, but my wife inherited her grandmother's collection of silver souvenir spoons, one of which has a swastika as part of the design. Like this scraper, it predates the war and any negative connotations of the symbol. The spoons are in a rack in our dining room and it's always interesting when a visitor is looking at the spoons and gets to that one.

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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2014, 07:04:23 PM »
The scraper swastika is definitely crude, but I agree with opinions stated previously that it is original.
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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 08:21:31 PM »
If real, I'd like to see pictures of a Buffum tool with that image on it.
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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 08:36:17 PM »
Fake!!!

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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2014, 08:59:57 PM »
 Heres a photo of some Buffum trademarks. I have a Buffum scraper and it does not have a swastika in that position but is well worn.
Everything looks original on markings. Wonder if mark in that position got smeared during usage of scraper. I would have bought that as Buffum tool.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2014, 09:08:46 PM by jimwrench »
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Re: Is this mark real?
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2014, 05:39:16 AM »
If real, I'd like to see pictures of a Buffum tool with that image on it.
I looked thru a bunch of sites yesterday and saw a few with the same swastika as yours. Top right and bottom left bars were angled a little and the top right and bottom left bars were thicker. Should've copy/pasted but I didn't. I'll see if I can find them again.
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