Hello, oldgoaly. I use the ceramic media in an 18 lb. tumbler, with a 50/50 mix of water and Simple Green ( 8 ounces of each). This has been the most successful for rust removal, and deep cleaning. The stones do get caught in things like the collets, but the stones are easily removed. I didn't like the sand either because of the dust, and unless the tools are de-greased before going in, the sand/grease combo sticks to the tools like glue!! Once removed from the tumbler, the tools are immediately rinsed, wiped dry, and into the WD-40 pan!! Regards, Lou