Tool Talk
What's-It Forum => What's-It Forum => Topic started by: Mike H on February 09, 2014, 10:48:36 AM
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Purchased this at a garage sale this morning (Sun. 2-9-14)
Bought with 4 other pieces:
Starrett Flat dividers, 7/16" drill bit, inclinometer & homemade molding plane
The item in pictures was made by the BURYS&Co firm out of Sheffield, England
They apparently made a lot of stuff including "edge tools". This thing has a little bit of an edge
to it and the rectangular bar to attach to a handle one presumes, is straight. If this was a
garden hoe you'd think that would be curved.
Anyhow, anybody got any use theories?
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It looks like a clapboard slick to me. The handle on the end should be a D or a T handle. For quick rough fitting of siding boards going onto your house or barn.
yours Scott
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Scott,
I cannot remember where I saw it, but the clapboard slick is for breaking off the clapboards after a log is cut lengthwise and radially to make the boards. They do not cut all the way through, so that the core holds the boards. This tool is jammed in and used to break off the boards in succession as you roll the log around on the saw bucks. I will look around and see if I can find the reference.
JMH
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Scott: On your suggestion, I Googled Clapboard Slick and came up with
picture that looks pretty similar. 21" length w/ T handle. Made by D.R. Barton.
For the record- the rectangular bar on right side of photo of the overall head of my tool
has no holes for mounting a handle.
Thanks for information
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Did not find a catalog, but did find a neat illustration of the factory...(1879)
Perhaps it was made here....
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John, you are correct. I've seen a similar picture.
Mike
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Hi
It's a blade from a strirrup adze - common in Spain, but not in the UK. However, many UK makers made blades for export to Spain & Portugal and their colonies. They are also found in southern France. Salaman calls them a Slot Adze or Brazilian Adze (p29, 2nd edition). Handles were not usually supplied (only the strirrup), it being up to the user to make their own - hence a wide variety of handle shapes, some simple, some fancifully carved.....
The blade may well have been mis-used as a clapboard chisel or slick, but it was not made for this purpose. Most are flat with a curved cutting edge (with a single bevel), and the tang or spur offset with a pronounced heel where it meets the blade. The underside of the blade is flat. Rarer, some blades are slightly convex...
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Mike H, How long is the handle on your tool? A question we should have asked earlier.
Mike
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More info on Bury & Co can be found at http://www.hillsboroughowlertonlocalhistory.co.uk/downloads/middlewood.pdf
The goods manufactured by Messrs.Burys& Co., Limited, consist chiefly of the following:-
crucible cast steel, double and single shear steel, blister steel, spring steel, Bessemer
steel in bars and sheets, rolled, tilted, and forged in special and suitable tempers for all
purposes. Also crucible steel castings, files and rasps of all kinds cut entirely by hand; light
and heavy edge tools for carpenters, coopers, ,joiners, millwrights, &c., carving tools,
sheep shears scythes, machine knives for paper and tobacco manufacturers ; improved
goucher pattern rolled-steel beater plates, rake-teeth steel, plough plates, chaff knives,
reaper sections, &c. for agricultural purposes; engineers' hand tools hammers of every
description, saws, patent picks for road making and railway works, forged circular pieces
for milling cutters, forged steel spanners, Ripley & Wormald's tube wrench and universal
spanner, patent steel card-room cans.
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This one for sale on eBay UK, as Jaguar (make) Portugal stirrup adze.. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-Portugal-411-50-Stirrup-Type-Hand-Adze-3-3-4-Width-As-Photo-/160987265869
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I am posting one of same pics as before with dimens.
I thank you folks for info. Now looks like I have a stirrup
per Billman49 post/s. One reason for this conclusion
is evident in the additional picture posted of "tang" of tool.
This configuration of the blade's tang would lend itself to
a stirrup adze/hand adze form better than a normal handle.
There was no handle of any kind with the tool
as purchased nor the metal "hoop" to join the blade to handle in a stirrup adze
situation. In any event what Billman49 is saying makes sense for the added reason
that the people at house where the sale was said that the old gentleman/PO
was from Portugal and was a coffin maker. The PDF link (hillsboroughhowlerton) was helpful in because browsing it lead me to an image in one of BURYS & Co advertisements which clears up
what the bottom of the logo is. Thanks again.
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Could it be a Whale blubber knife ?
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Wull, show me the whole shank, why don't ya??....... heeheh
I was thinking 16 or 20 inches of shaft for a clapboard slick! Just figured it ran off the picture.
But at this size, its a stirrup adze blade like Bob says, for sure.
yours Scott
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Just added the image to my last post - the site refused to upload it yesteday - I gave up after the 6th attempt... Ref whale blubber knives (as suggested by Bruce S), these usually have a much larger and more curved blade...
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Bury is a 'new' edge tool maker to me, so I'm trying to find out more...
Edward Bury (22 October 1794 – 25 November 1858) was an English locomotive manufacturer. Edward Bury was born in Salford, Lancashire, the son of a timber merchant, and was educated at Chester.......... In 1852 he went into partnership in a Sheffield steelworks with Charles Cammell, and in 1855 he started another steelworks with his son, William Tarleton Bury, and John Bedford, as Bedford, Burys & Co, Regent Works, Sheffield. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bury
Bedford remains a well known tool maker, but Bury is almsost unknown,,,
The letters on the name stamp - J O B S are intriguing as they do not match Edward Bury or William Tarleton Bury - possible those of John Bedford & Sons???
Just found these useful links: http://www.backsaw.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=92
and http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y03300&pos=25&action=zoom&id=50188
1900 - 1919 the firm was just known as Burys & Co, but the JOBS may be retained from the partnership with John Bedford c 1850's...
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Update:
Founded in the 1830's by John Bedford and after 20 years passed to Messrs. Burys & Co. (Limited Company August 1865). Making blister, shear, crucible & spring steel in large quantities for general trade as well as their own use. They manufactured files, saws, edge & engineers tools of all kinds, hammers, miners picks, steel plough plates, knives for reapers, choppers & other agricultural equipment. For more information see: Illustrated Guide to Sheffield, Pawson & Brailsford 1879 Ref: 914. 274 S
It would appear Bury went into partnership with an existing company, John Bedford & Sons (Regent Works was already founded pre 1780) - but the company passed soley to Bury in the 1850's - they appear to have retained the old Bedford mark for their tools...
In the 1880s John Bedford & Sons was at Lion Works, using a different trademark - must stop now as my wife is complaining I am wasting too much time researching this intriguing company history... Interesting they named the new site Lion Works (the old JOBS logo shows a lion), but had to use a new unrelated tradmark...
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From the Ad:
Converters, Melters, Rollers, and Tilters (Of steel)
ok...the the heck is Tilting steel?
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From the Ad:
Converters, Melters, Rollers, and Tilters (Of steel)
ok...the the heck is Tilting steel?
I don't know for sure, but if you tilt too far your turn is over. ;)
Chilly
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I used to be a pinball wizard at tilting!
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Just checked my Barraclough, History of Steel Making - he mentions a tilting open hearth furnace, mounted on trunnions that will tilt +/- 20 degrees for charging and pouring.
However, I suspect that tilting (as a verb) refers to the process of hammering under a mechanical (usually water powered) tilt hammer (also known as a trip hammer or helve hammer)... Later hammers were steam powered (Naysmith type) or used hydraulic pressure (press forging).
Many Sheffield steel producers were also forge masters...
See http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tilt
Verb
tilt (third-person singular simple present tilts, present participle tilting, simple past and past participle tilted)
1.(transitive) To slope or incline (something); to slant [1590] Tilt the barrel to pour out its contents.
2.(jousting) To charge (at someone) with a lance [1590]
3.(intransitive) To be at an angle [1620]
4.(transitive) To point or thrust a weapon at. (Can we find and add a quotation of Beaumont and Fletcher to this entry?)
5.(transitive) To point or thrust (a weapon).
6.To forge (something) with a tilt hammer. to tilt steel in order to render it more ductile
7.(poker) To play worse than usual (often as a result of previous bad luck).
8.(photography) To move a camera vertically in a controlled way.
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Could it be a Whale blubber knife ?
I have one of those -- they look like a saddler's head knife on steroids. Mine's about 9 inches across. The guy I bought it from thought it was an edger.
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Branson,
I don't recall: do you live on the coast, or was this whale blubber knife for some of those inland whales?
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Branson,
I don't recall: do you live on the coast, or was this whale blubber knife for some of those inland whales?
Inland dweller here. It's odd how things travel around though. I have a Queen Ann (1730 or so) English cutlass that an antique dealer found in Montana, and a pattern maker's hacksaw made in 1870 in Sacramento that I bought from an antique dealer in Princeton, New Jersey.
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I for one would love to see this restored.
Stirrup adzes sometimes have extraordinary embellishments, but even the plain ones often show style and grace.
yours Scott
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Ref 'tilting' of steel, I just found these images in my archives...
The first is an extract from a Victorian magazine (The MIrror) I found in Google books - the second shows Steel Tilting at Sanderson Bros, Attercliffe Works, Sheffield circa 1862
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Would anybody know if the handle for this stirrup adze would be fancy or plain?
I'm guessing straight-forward, functional & plain.
I have Googled Bury's & Co. stirrup adze a couple of different times trying to come
up with an image. When it comes down to it; if I get time to turn out something for it,
absolute adherence to authenic manufacturer's pattern will be low priority.
Just thought it would be good to have the option to replicate if handle not too ornate.
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> Steel Tilting at Sanderson Bros, Attercliffe
Hammering with a 300+ pound hammer, 2 - 4 times a second.....
An entire building full...
Can you even begin to imagine the noise?
6 Tons....
By 1914 a blast furnace producing less than 700 tons/day will be considered only marginally profitable, large steel plants will turn out 15 to 20,000 tons/per day