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What's-It Forum => What's-It Forum => Topic started by: lisafer on July 23, 2015, 03:48:43 PM

Title: What are these?
Post by: lisafer on July 23, 2015, 03:48:43 PM
Are these some type of drilling tools.  I have no idea.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: oldtoolguy on July 23, 2015, 03:59:47 PM
They are gimlets.  Used to make a pilot (starter) hole for wood screws.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: jimwrench on July 23, 2015, 04:15:32 PM
Not to be confused with giblets which are useless in making a starter hole.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: bill300d on July 23, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Not to be confused with giblets which are useless in making a starter hole.


but do make good gravy.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: oldtools on July 23, 2015, 06:16:48 PM
Yep!! Very handy tool to have in your tool bag...
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: PFSchaffner on July 23, 2015, 06:52:22 PM
But while we're at it, and in honor of the fact that this set of gimlets represents a wide range of sizes, does anyone know anything about the sizing of gimlets? or about other differences between them? I see, for example, that the 1911 Hibbard Spencer and Bartlett catalogue lists 'excelsior point' gimlets, 'nail gimlets,' 'spike gimlets,' and 'double point gimlets'; and that it lists them in numeric sizes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. Vajen & New (1884) doesn't list sizes, but does list 'nail' and 'spike' gimlets (alongside the extra-long bell-hangers' gimlets). The Sargent 1911 catalogue is similar (sizes 1-6).

Perhaps the clue is in the 1900 Hammacher Schlemmer and the 1902 White & Van Glahn catalogs, which don't list gimlets per se, but do list gimlet bits, and size them 1 through 12 in 32nds of an inch. So perhaps a size 3 gimlet = 3/32" rather the way a size 13 auger = 13/16"? That would be nice, but I doubt it is so simple, especially since gimlet bits tend to run from 1- to 12 32nds, but ordinary gimlets seem to run only size 1 through size 6.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: lisaferhmac on July 23, 2015, 11:48:15 PM
Thanks guys,  now I have a go too place with questions about my growing tool collection
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: PFSchaffner on July 24, 2015, 10:08:33 AM
Trying to answer my own question again. My c1915 HSB catalog describes gimlet sizes 1, 2 and 3 (and also sizes 2, 3, and 4) simply as "small, medium, and large." The only catalog I have seen that actually assigns a diameter to the size numbers is the Illustrated catalogue and price list of supplies, tools, machinery, for all branches of the mechanical trades published by Montgomery & Co., 105 Fulton Street, New York City, c1885, which says that its no. 1 = 1/8", no. 2 = 7/32", no. 3 = 3/16" and no. 4 = 1/4". So, not a linear scale, and probably not a universal standard (after all, Hammacher Schlemmer advertises gimlets "from 1/16" and up," which would imply a size no. 0 by this scale). Pre-industrial gimlets could of course be any size the maker chose.

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Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Bill Houghton on July 24, 2015, 10:15:57 AM
There was one traditional sizing for gimlets that used 32nds of an inch, yes.  Not sure if it was universal.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Northwoods on July 27, 2015, 05:06:50 PM
OK.  I'll do it if nobody else will:  http://cocktails.wikia.com/wiki/Vodka_Gimlet
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: HeelSpur on July 27, 2015, 05:16:53 PM
OK.  I'll do it if nobody else will:  http://cocktails.wikia.com/wiki/Vodka_Gimlet
I've had 1 or 12 of those in my days  :smiley:
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Branson on August 02, 2015, 11:10:29 AM
There was one traditional sizing for gimlets that used 32nds of an inch, yes.  Not sure if it was universal.

Gimlets have been around for many hundreds of years, so the first few centuries (say, the first 7 or 8) they
were whatever the blacksmith came up with.  So the longest tradition is that there is no sizing tradition
other than bigger and smaller.  They are one or more variations on the pod auger.
Title: Re: What are these?
Post by: Billman49 on August 06, 2015, 03:30:22 AM
I have seen this type sold as of European (German/Scandinavian) origin...