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Title: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: international3414 on December 01, 2017, 04:13:21 PM
picked em up today for $5,sept 22 1891 OO pliers,couldnt find that patent,maybe pipe wrench.
hammer like tool,can opener?
113 wrench with tit and round open end,about 4.5" long
any ideas?,if the pictures work
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: turnnut on December 01, 2017, 04:42:08 PM
go to DATAMP and put in patent # 460,015

 pipe tongs patented by George W. Johnson, Erie, PA

  NOT KNOWN TO HAVE BEEN PRODUCED

 Stan will put your picture on DATAMP after verifying yours to the patent

  you may have a sleeper,  Frank
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: mikeswrenches on December 01, 2017, 05:07:34 PM
The device with the hammer, is a tack puller patented by George Capewell. No. 501,919. See DATAMP link below. Unfortunately, it is missing a part.

http://www.datamp.org/patents/advance.php?pn=501919&id=11056&set=15

Mike



Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: t115145 on December 01, 2017, 05:59:05 PM
The bottom pic, I believe, is a proto type vasectomy tool for use in the frontier era.
(couldn't wait till April Fools day)
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: international3414 on December 01, 2017, 06:28:51 PM
yep thats the johnson tool,not sure why i couldn't find that,.,,thanks!!
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: Bill Houghton on December 01, 2017, 09:42:39 PM
The bottom pic, I believe, is a proto type vasectomy tool for use in the frontier era.
(couldn't wait till April Fools day)
yep thats the johnson tool,not sure why i couldn't find that,.,,thanks!!
I am entertained that these two posts went up on this thread one right after the other.
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: Lewill2 on December 02, 2017, 07:20:41 AM
Just because we by a lot of rust doesn't mean we are rusty.
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: jimwrench on December 02, 2017, 01:29:55 PM
 If you would dust out the part number on the bottom one we might be able to identify it also.
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: international3414 on December 02, 2017, 02:51:29 PM
the wrench number is 113,would fit a 1/2" square nut,the other end would fit a round nut???????????? :shocked:
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: strik9 on December 03, 2017, 04:25:15 PM
I have a wrench like the last one.  Very interested in what it came with.
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: mvwcnews on December 05, 2017, 12:06:20 AM
go to DATAMP and put in patent # 460,015

 pipe tongs patented by George W. Johnson, Erie, PA

  NOT KNOWN TO HAVE BEEN PRODUCED

 Stan will put your picture on DATAMP after verifying yours to the patent

  you may have a sleeper,  Frank

Stan has not been reading Tool Talk lately -- have to get caught up. 
The Johnson pipe tongs is nice -- based on the Capewell tack puller & hammer & the #113 wrench, it must be in the 7 inch size range.  If this is size 00 I wonder what other sizes were made.  It will get updated in DATAMP & appear in the March MVWC newsletter.
Regards, Stan S.
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: strik9 on December 05, 2017, 05:17:16 AM
Any clues to what the 113 wrench was used on?   Mine is about 5" long. 
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: international3414 on December 05, 2017, 08:53:18 AM
Can you imagine what the round open end does.?
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: johnsironsanctuary on December 05, 2017, 10:35:14 AM
It may not be the right size, but the round end would work on a Model T front wheel bearing type of application where two sides are flat and two sides are rounded. I don't know if other cars had that shape bearing.
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: strik9 on December 05, 2017, 05:30:21 PM
The 90 degree turn suggests limited access.  The fact it is cast suggests farm wrench of some sort. 
   Forged wrenches dominated the T tools with stamped steel the other option.   

   It does resemble a cam-eccentric adjustment wrench like used in early drum brakes (or other devices where a tolerance might have to be adjusted) as used on Chevrolet cars.

    I lean toward a farm type wrench but no clue beyond that.
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: lptools on December 05, 2017, 06:50:11 PM
Hello, I would like to throw this one in here. Couldn't find any info on it, and the opening looks similar to the wrench in this post. This one measures 5/8" across the flats. Regards, Lou
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: turnnut on December 05, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
Lou, a seller was calling your type wrench a Sterling gas wrench ???
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: lptools on December 05, 2017, 07:37:49 PM
Hello, Thanks . My first thought was a gas bottle wrench. Ebay sellers have been known to be inaccurate in their somewhat embellished descriptions :-) Regards, Lou
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: turnnut on December 05, 2017, 07:55:50 PM
 tis true Lou, more than once I have seen them call a husking peg a corn sheller.
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: strik9 on December 06, 2017, 08:20:29 AM
So those were for gas valves when homes used gas lamps in place of electric? 

  Was Sterling a tool maker, gas fixture or valve maker?

   Both carry the curve which is interesting.   A lost piece of Americana which also is interesting.
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: lptools on December 06, 2017, 09:00:14 AM
Hello, Strik9. I still don't know the tool's exact use, or , history. Still researching Sterling Rigas. I only posted 1 wrench, showing the flip side in the second photo.Thanks, Lou
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: strik9 on December 06, 2017, 03:44:47 PM
First, thanks for taking the time to research it.

    I have an example of the 113 and have seen ancient gas valves where the peg might fit a hole in the top of the valve to turn it.   Long ago in long since cleared away piles of random stuff.

  The Sterling version appears better msde for a specific brand or type of job.

   In my display case are about two dozen random unidentified wrenches that are begging a reasonable explanation.    Five I have been able to partially identify including early Bonney and an Armstrong.

     One may be a Ford T shop tool if I ever get to looking up sizes.   Or it may not be....
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: international3414 on December 06, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
that was my next question,what would the peg do/fit
Title: Re: 3 old tools unknown
Post by: turnnut on December 06, 2017, 08:17:19 PM
 just another thought;  Sterling made the old home radiators, they had a hand valve that the stem nut needed tightening once
  in a while,  a curved wrench wood help keep your hand away from the hot tubes/fins.