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What's-It Forum => What's-It Forum => Topic started by: rustyric on October 10, 2018, 04:12:29 PM

Title: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 10, 2018, 04:12:29 PM
These are my latest find

(https://i.imgur.com/iFIj7WN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9eFhI9P.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9cQPxuA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hF1OroU.jpg)
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: Papaw on October 10, 2018, 06:22:35 PM
Ear notchers ?
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: wvtools on October 10, 2018, 08:50:25 PM
I'll go with a sheet metal tool to bend over some kind of rounded tab.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: bonneyman on October 10, 2018, 09:29:53 PM
Perhaps a farriers tool?
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 11, 2018, 03:26:19 AM
not ear notchers no gap to put ear
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: amecks on October 11, 2018, 07:16:48 AM
It looks like when the handles are squeezed together, the jaw opens - so maybe the "working surface" is the outer round edge?
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: oldgoaly on October 11, 2018, 11:43:32 AM
So if it made a notch in thin brass, but didn't remove material. There is seam using a notched overlap that is soldered. Seen this on "How it's Made" making brass musical instruments.
But the notch would not need to be as deep as the tool is. So might not be the right answer.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 11, 2018, 01:49:51 PM
Can anyone shed any light on 5 Y's Patent - I couldnt find anything
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: wvtools on October 11, 2018, 06:03:53 PM
I should have noticed the hinge direction.  My first idea would not work.  How about a tool to hold or expand an oval ring for some reason.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 12, 2018, 04:21:44 AM
Hinge direction - yes you are right, (I think) they are more for expanding something rather than cutting as they work the other way round. Also holding the handles together makes a nice taper leading up to the "head" Maybe they are medical ? or Vet related ?
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 15, 2018, 11:51:01 AM
So have I beat you all ?
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: turnnut on October 15, 2018, 07:36:15 PM
 no, you have not beat them, they never give up here.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: p_toad on October 15, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
possibly for stretching a rubber band or o-ring prior to slipping it over ???   
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: Papaw on October 15, 2018, 09:23:38 PM
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possibly for stretching a rubber band or o-ring prior to slipping it over ???

Don't think so, when you release them there is no room for whatever you are sliiping something over.

I have been scouring the interwebs and haven't found a match yet.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 16, 2018, 03:05:14 AM
I had thought about rubber bands, but i think it might be more like a circlip with a gap in it ?
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: amecks on October 16, 2018, 03:44:31 PM
Now that rustyric has confirmed that work "backwards" of typical pliers, I am wondering if could be a hog ring remover?  Not the little upholstery clips but the big hog rings that go on real hogs.  Maybe it spreads the ring so it can be removed.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: Papaw on October 16, 2018, 04:14:40 PM
Not sure that is right, but it does make sense.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: p_toad on October 16, 2018, 05:45:54 PM
"Maybe it spreads the ring so it can be removed"

Mmmm, kinda like the pliers to open and close lamp chain. 
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: Northwoods on October 16, 2018, 09:20:51 PM
I think amecks has the best idea.  But what does it stretch?  It has quite a bit of leverage
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 17, 2018, 11:15:28 AM
Exactly so what does it stretch ? I was thinking a primitive cow ear tagger, or maybe rubber bands around lambs tails ?
. Using something like a split ring ? However why is it oval not round ?
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: Chillylulu on October 17, 2018, 11:49:06 AM
And what about that flange? 
I'm guessing that the pliers contract just enough for the flanged end to fit into something. Then you expand them to pull it towards you.

My guess is that they are some bushing or bearing removal tool where you can't get behind and push the part out???

Chilly
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 17, 2018, 02:56:05 PM
Bushing or bearing ? But OVAL ?
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: papadan on October 17, 2018, 06:31:09 PM
And what about that flange? 
I'm guessing that the pliers contract just enough for the flanged end to fit into something. Then you expand them to pull it towards you.

My guess is that they are some bushing or bearing removal tool where you can't get behind and push the part out???

Chilly
This makes since to me, put the lip inside a bearing race to pull it out of a blind hole
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 18, 2018, 03:36:32 AM
In my experiance bushing and bearings are not oval - the part above the flange is OVAL.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: Chillylulu on October 18, 2018, 02:29:56 PM
Oval would still be used,

The reason you would use an oval has to do with getting inside the hole. You can only expand to two sides, so an oval is needed. Any tool that would fit through a circle and expand couldn't be round. It would have as many sides as determined by how many directions the force is applied from the center out.  Bearing pullers can have 2, 3, 4 or more arms.

I dont think this would be used to pull a very tight bushing or bearing, but it would work on a round item.

I'm not at all sure of the use of these pliers. But I can see a few things about the tool that point us away from our best guesses so far.

1. The end is flat and isn'tt finished to the level of the inside of the flange.
2. The tool is keyed to keep alignment.
3. The tool is made to enlarge the business end.
4. The form suggests that the tool goes into something that is either open or bigger than the space it passes through.
5. If the plier was made to pull hard, I would expect that the end of the handles would be bent back.

Chilly
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 18, 2018, 04:53:27 PM
Yes Chilly great work I agree with your points 1 to 5.

However I still think we maybe barking up the wrong tree !

Maybe the answer could be in the name or the trademark - it looks like a bee, wasp, or fly.           
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: papadan on October 18, 2018, 05:08:48 PM
RustyRic, what are the deminsions of the working head on those things and how far will they open to.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 19, 2018, 07:33:47 AM
It measures 1 11/16th" wide closed x 1 1/2" and 2" open x 1 1/2" and the gap in the top goes form 0 to 3/16" when handles are squeezed.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 21, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
Well anymore suggestions ?
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: papadan on October 21, 2018, 06:01:50 PM
I'm still looking for an answer.
Title: Re: Strange Nipper Things
Post by: rustyric on October 22, 2018, 12:25:42 PM
"I'm still looking for an answer" - So am I !!