not sure i understand why one company makes them one way, etc., etc.
yes, they are both supposed to be 8 point sockets.
Hard to figure. The one on the left looks like my Craftsmans I use often at work. Never seen one like the right hand socket. One set of four points looks smaller than the other set. Is it made to fit two sizes?
Al
The one on the right is a square/hex made to fit both square nuts and hex nuts. They are far less common and the two sets of them I have were made by Wright, although one is marked PowrKraft, made by Wright for Montgomery Ward. Under hard usage they don't hold up well.
Quote from: coolford on January 01, 2020, 07:43:19 AMThe one on the right is a square/hex made both to fit square nuts and to efficiently round the corners on hex nuts.
Fixed it for you (required a little grammatical manipulation of the sentence). I don't see how that design would ever work well on hex nuts. It's hard to round the corners on square nuts, but, as we all know, it's a constant hazard on hex nuts.
The one on the left is indeed a Craftsman and the one on the right is a Wright.
44343 3/8" and a 2310 5/16"
Hello, Bill. I get to work on rusty, frozen , 100 year old hardware. Sometimes I can't even see what I am trying to loosen, so I can round a square nut with ease!! Regards, Lou
If I'm not mistaken Wright calls that socket a 10pt socket
That is correct, they call it a 10 point??
hello, Guys. I only see 8 points on both sockets pictured. Don't the 10 point sockets have a different configuration? Regards, Lou
No lp they don't. Wright adds the 4 points for square nuts and the 6 points for hex nuts to get 10 points. I guess they didn't want everyone to get it confused with a true 8 point.
Quote from: bill300d on January 01, 2020, 09:44:09 PM
If I'm not mistaken Wright calls that socket a 10pt socket
For those uncommon ten-pointed nuts?
Okay, guys, I am now way behind on points, and more confused than usual!!!!. Remember, I am a Carpenter who occasionally uses wrenches to take something apart, so that I can forget how to put it back together. These in the photo are what I have always used, ( for square nuts & bolts) where a 12 point would not work, and have always referred to them as 8 Point Sockets, ( I'm not too old to change). I dug out a Snap-on Catalog to see if I could get a better idea of what we are talking about. Snap-on shows an SW-121 (3/8" opening) Double Hexagon Socket that truly has 8 Points. They also show an SW-12 (also 3/8" opening) Double Square Socket that looks more like what I have here. Regional differences? Manufacturer differences in labeling??? The sockets shown are mostly Craftsman, the largest being a Williams. Regards, Lou
I have both styles, I like the true double squares better. But the just finding any 8pt, makes it worthwhile to pick it up.
Hello, Guys. Okay, I think I've got it!! The Double Square are the 10 Points, and I agree with Ray, these are the most effective. Here are a few more, Craftsman H logo 1/4" Drive Double Square Sockets ( in the tray on the left) and a couple 3/8 Drive. Outside the box are Wrights, I can see where you would get in trouble with these, the broaches are far from crisp. Around here, the 10 Point , or, Double Square , pops up fairly often, the true 8 Points (I sit corrected), are very hard to find. Regards, Lou
Interesting; I've never, to my knowledge, seen a 10 point socket. I'll have to watch for them.
And, yes, eight point sockets aren't common. My wallet quest list card has a couple of sizes I have yet to find. I don't need them often, but it's sure nice to have them when I do.
You are doing good, Bill, mine quest list is on a note pad. :smiley:
Hello, Bill H.. I agree with you on this one , technically speaking, the sockets I am showing only have 8 points. They are "referred to" as 10 points, because of their capability, as bill300d explained. Besides, the math would not work with 10 points , that is why you usually see 4, 6, 8, and 12 point sockets.
hmmmm...10 points? new one to me. i've heard of triple square, but i seem to have the ability to round off almost anything. :grin:
I was beginning to think that this was a marketing ploy by Wright!!! Here is an excerpt from a Wright catalog that should clear this up!!!! Bill300d & coolford explained it earlier!! Regards, Lou
Full page provided by mrbill. I've only seen these made by Wright. I guess the idea didn't exactly take off.
-Don
You will also find them marked PowerKraft(Montgomery Ward) and there are tales of possibly Crescent Tool, though I've not seen one.
About 40 years ago me and a friend got a job to take down a old gas station that was framed with angle iron and lots of glass and bolted together with square headed ( 4 sided ) nuts and bolts. We did not want to torch the metal so we could reuse it. Another friend loaned us a set of 8 point sockets. Over the years I have found many 8 point sockets in many different brands. One set is a Montgomery Wards brand. Might be Wards Master. I have 8 point sockets in 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 inch drive sizes. If I can help anybody complete their collection put a comment in the classifieds wanted section or private message me. I was just out in the freezing garage and found out I have several 4 point sockets. Probably for removing square headed plugs like on gear boxes to top off lube oil.
EvilDr235
Quote from: lptools on January 03, 2020, 12:52:35 PMHello, Bill H.. I agree with you on this one , technically speaking, the sockets I am showing only have 8 points. They are "referred to" as 10 points, because of their capability, as bill300d explained.
I understood that. I should have been clearer. What I see in the wild around here are six and 12 point sockets for hex nuts and, rarely, eight point sockets in the conventional configuration (a square socket with another square socket broached in at 45 degrees of rotation from the first one).
But maybe I've just been missing these 10 point named sockets, confusing them with 12 point sockets. I'll have to watch.
Quote from: lptools on January 03, 2020, 12:52:35 PMBesides, the math would not work with 10 points...
Except for the rare pentagonal nut/capscrew, as occasionally found on fire and other such equipment designed to keep civilians from messing with it. But a five point socket would be a lot easier to do than a true ten pointer.
Yesterday, I ended up using a Wright 3/4" true 8pt. I likely bought the socket new, but the Gray gear puller I used it on would rate vintage.
I knew I had seen one of those so called 10 point sockets in my garage. I just went and checked my Proto top chest that my late mother inlaw bought me back in 1981.Lo and behold I found a Wright 10 point socket. 1/2 inch drive in 9/16. It is marked,
WRIGHT 4FS18 9/16 SQ HEX
TEN POINT ++58++
PATENT PENDING
Sorry, I still cannot do pictures. I appears to have seen a lot of use.
EvilDr235
Quote from: EVILDR235 on January 08, 2020, 04:13:36 PMI appears to have seen a lot of use.
I appears to have seen a lot of use, too, but I'm still up and moving around.