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Title: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: Butcher1942 on December 30, 2020, 08:57:09 PM
Hey all.

Here is another one that has puzzled me. I found them with some chisels and there are no markings at all and very primative. The end of both pointed tip appears to be stone like. I put a magnet to it and it's not magnetic. But the rod it's attached to is magnetic and some kind of metal. And the one has a pointed end and the smaller one has a wooden handle. They are also pretty heavy so thinking the metal shafts are iron?

Thanks Again for the Help
:)
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: lptools on December 30, 2020, 09:01:19 PM
The non-magnetic part may be copper. So it looks like you may have "Soldering Coppers" ( soldering irons)
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: Butcher1942 on December 30, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
The non-magnetic part may be cooper. So it looks like you may have "Soldering Coppers" ( soldering irons)

Thanks, Very interesting. Would know roughly what era this would be from aprox?

Thanks Again

:)
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: lptools on December 30, 2020, 10:09:16 PM
Sorry, that should have read "copper"
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: Butcher1942 on December 30, 2020, 10:58:51 PM
Sorry, that should have read "copper"
No worries :) and I looked it up and they do match old soldering irons.
Thanks Again,
:)
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: Bill Houghton on December 31, 2020, 03:15:56 PM
Would know roughly what era this would be from aprox?
I'm not sure of the earliest date for soldering coppers, but I imagine pretty darned early.  They're still being made and sold.

Soldering is still, in my opinion and that of many other folks, still the best way to join metal in certain applications, such as architectural flashing (e.g., roof flashing, caps above exterior window and door trim, and the like).  A soldering copper or two with a propane-powered "stove" to heat the copper(s) allows the mechanic to solder the work in the field in places where electricity isn't available or is hard to get.  On a lot of building sites, if there is electricity, the carpenters want to hog all the outlets/there aren't enough outlets.

When you're working that way, you want two coppers, ideally of the same size/weight/shape.  One is heating while you're running joints with the other; when the one in hand gets too cool, you trade off.

Unless you're doing that kind of work, though, coppers are of limited usefulness.
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: d42jeep on January 04, 2021, 02:05:53 AM
Hey Cuz Bill,
Happy New Year. Here is a listing for a soldering iron in a WW2 toolset.
Cuz Don Houghton
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: skipskip on January 04, 2021, 10:31:36 AM
Hey Cuz Bill,
Happy New Year. Here is a listing for a soldering iron in a WW2 toolset.
Cuz Don Houghton
do we have brands and part numbers for any of those?

some look familiar

Skip
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: Bill Houghton on January 04, 2021, 11:06:23 AM
Hey Cuz Bill,
Happy New Year. Here is a listing for a soldering iron in a WW2 toolset.
Cuz Don Houghton
Hey back, Cuz.

Is that page one of several?  There are certainly tools missing - cold chisel, but no hammer.  No tin snips.  And that's not even counting the diversity of specialized tools like hand seamers that I would not want to be without while doing sheet metal repairs/fabrications in the field.  And the scraper - what I think of as a carbon scraper, because that's what Dad told me it was - is an odd addition, although perhaps it made sense for radiator repair.
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: Butcher1942 on January 04, 2021, 03:09:54 PM
Just got back from vacation. Interesting image of that WW2 Picture thanks for sharing that. :)
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: d42jeep on January 05, 2021, 03:48:14 AM
That was just one image of that particular set from a 1945 document showing many different WW2 toolsets. For those interested, here are the rest of the related pages for that particular set. One of the fun exercises for WW2 tool collectors is trying to figure out brands from the images. The government sourced tools from many manufacturers. I have a couple of Plomb carbon scrapers that match the description.
-Don
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: Bill Houghton on January 05, 2021, 11:02:26 AM
Interesting.  First time I've seen images of a complete set of rivet headers.  I am obviously not keeping up; I have just two.
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: d42jeep on January 05, 2021, 02:57:12 PM
Nobody ever knows what they are at estate sales so I usually grab them for my Navy box.
-Don
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: p_toad on January 05, 2021, 06:58:46 PM
nice....thought that's what they were....    :smiley:
Title: Re: Is this some kind of chisel?
Post by: Bill Houghton on January 05, 2021, 10:09:35 PM
One of the things about rivets that I did not understand for a long time is that the hole in the metal being riveted is, ideally, a tight fit for the rivet.  The header allows you to drive it tight before beginning to head the rivet.