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What's-It Forum => What's-It Forum => Topic started by: Nolatoolguy on November 14, 2013, 08:10:07 PM
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A friend asked me about this. I wasn't able to give him a awnser. Hopefully someone here knows what it is.
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I'd call it a good looking woman...oh, you mean the tool, not the poster on the refrigerator....
I'd say some odd patent of a rasp, maybe for lead removal in bodywork???
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little coarse for lead??? but on the order of a file / rasp teeth don't look sharp so maybe for something soft? softer than lead.
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Could it be for shaving tires ?
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Leadburner's dressing tool. If memory serves, that one is called a gobber or seam gobber, used to initially dress a completed weld.
Leadburners are weldors who specialize in WELDING, not soldering lead.
There probably aren't 6 left in the US worthy of their hire, the trade still flourishes in England.
Until manufacturing, mainly Stanley left the US, Meridian Connecticut employed up around 50+ lead burners full time.
For reasons beyond my understanding lead anodes used in plating tanks are welded up from sheet lead rather than cast around the support fixture. Most now come from China.
The other major use of lead is lining radiation containment rooms such as Xray rooms. The lead barrier MUST be welded to a watertight level.
While lead can be welded with the TIG process, the preferred and arguably superior method is Oxy/Hydrogen torch. Smith is the only US manufacturer of O/H equipment, and appears to only be offering remaining stock for sale.
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Not seen this particular tool before, and not going to argue with Aunty Phil over its usage....
Just want to add that in the UK we would call this a float (c.f. gunstock and planemaker's tools for use with wood) and in France you would find the blades set into a wooden body, and it would be used on soft stone or plaster to get a smooth surface (rabot de plâtrier or chemin de fer)...
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In the UK lead is still widely used for roof flashings etc, so lead burning (using a special oxy-acetylene blowpipe) is still taught to most plumbers.
Personally I've never tried it, but still have soft soldered flashings in place that I made nearly 50 years ago that are still 100% serviceble....
The old way was with a red hot iron, tallow as flux and a strip of rod scraped clean of its oxide film as a filler rod....
I do have a couple of the old iron soldering irons (which is why the copper bitted iron is so named) - they are big heavy unwieldy beasts - plumbers used to get deformed, claw like, hands from using them due to the steam that came off the wet cloths that were wrapped around the handle to keep it cool....
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lead burners are here too, phone company used it, so do plumber although they called it wiping a joint. basically they are using the base metal to joint it instead of a alloy (lower melting temp) Autobody solder is a alloy tin/lead , tinning butter in acid and tin. For autobody leading the teeth are curved as not to catch a edge and dig in. these teeth are not sharp looking, straight and deep!
Is there a large flat surfaces or a seam in lead burning in some types of equipment? So if they made a cover from lead sheet they would have one long seam to joined the edges? Interesting tool!
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I wiped many a lead sleeve with the phone company. We used a treated cloth to do the job. One of my old buddies used to use newspaper to wipe a joint, just like in the really old days.
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when apprenticed 60 odd years ago was taught to do lead burning in the workshop.
the was to keep the lead moving using the torch,this would make a neat pattern around
whatever you were welding.ie for upstands around pipes etc.wiping joints is another kettle of fish.
brian
ps should read art.
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Phone & underground power guys get to cheat & use solder. Lead burners do it the right way, strips dressed from the material they're working so the alloy is right.
I was told that by a leadburner in Meridian, Conn, and I gotta take his word for it.
Fellow was going to teach me how to wipe a lead drain pipe years ago. I decided I didn't want to learn when he poured half a ladel of lead into the sheepwool pad he was holding with his hand. I might be nuts, but there are limits.
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Holy Smokes !! Quite the forum we here, Guys!!
Thanks for sharing the info !
Brian
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Wiped joints were usually soldered - the type of stick solder is about 1 1/8" x 5/16" section. The lead/tin eutectic shows that at 62%Sn/38%Pb the molten solder 'freezes' instantly - ideal for electicians, but not for plumbers who need a 'pasty' stage where the solder is in a semi-molten state and can be shaped (usually in the UK with a moleskin cloth).
Plumbers' solders tend to have a much higher lead content - up to 80% which gives a greater 'pasty' temperature range. The solder was melted in a lead pot and splashed onto the joint with the ladle, then reheated with the blowlamp amd 'wiped' into shaped.....
Lead burning was usually resticted to sheet materials, often pre-welded on the bench, such as pipe flashings and cowls. For pipe work (water and gas) the lead pipe would have deformed if heated to melting point - the addition of tin to form a solder lowers the melting (eutectic) point so the solder melts before the lead...
I cannot comment on wiped electical joints, but if the outer casing of the cable was lead, then I suspect solder was used, for the same reasons as used on lead pipe, as stated above...
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Aside from the interesting (and good) diversion into lead work , this appears to be a horse shoe rasp...
The idea being you can disassemble it to sharpen the plates..
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Shoe rasp?? Or hoof rasp, to prepare the hoof to take the shoe??
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Err...hoof, not shoe *duh*
"The object of the invention is to provide a
rasp of simple construction, one that shall be
cheap to manufacture, highly efficient for the
purpose of dressing the hoofs of animals pre-
paratory to shoeing, and one wherein the
blades may be removed and sharpened with
great ease, accuracy, and rapidity and re-
placed in said rasp, rendering it as good as
new..."
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Ha, I was right in the rasp part. I was leaning toward shoeing originally, but figured it was a little too aggressive for hoof work. Doesn't take much to make ol' Plug limp a little when the rasp bites a little too deep.
It is a good idea, though. Farriers go through rasps at an alarming rate.
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It does seem coarse for that, I was in fact leaning towards an ice tool of some sort, but turned up nothing, finally backtracked to basics....
Oddly, there is a patent class just for these things...
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Don't nobody tell Rusty, might make him too nervous to sleep over there in the basement of the Patent Office, metal trades, particularly weldors tend to adopt tools designed for other trades, maybe heat them a little, bend them some, and make use of them. I have at least 2 hoof rasps that are 8 sided (edges count) and every side has different teeth. They have been absolutely great over the years removing coatings and scale. I have a butcher's meat tenderizing hammer that is handy as hell for rust scale removal on a small area not worth dragging the hose for a needle gun to.
Time to time I wonder how often tools get used by trades other than the one they were designed for to do things the tool maker never knew about. Then I grab a mug of coffee, kick back and ponder taking a nap.
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If the tool works, Use it!! but don't abuse it!! sometimes the right tool for the job isn't what it was designed for...
Must be lots of examples of resourceful & innovative uses for tools, It takes talent to "MacGyver" new uses for tools...
Reuse;
old Meat tenderizer/Rust hammer..
Old baking pans/parts pan..
Old Colander/parts bath... & toothbrush.
Old files/reshaped scrapers & Knifes..
Old Screwdrivers/reshaped to picks, awl, pry's, diggers, etc..
Shingle hammer/great to remove carpet tack boards...
Cut up plastic vertical blinds for; Bondo/epoxy squeegee card, mixing pads, edge paint guards, etc..
The MacGyver multitool.. (a paperclip) had 20 uses...
Etc...
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Not sure if we're helping the kid or torturing him.
We can pass information onto him, much of it he may not use for 10 years, some never, but the men I learned from told me it was my duty to remember what I had learned.
Sitting here today I realize I have failed them miserably.
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Oh, torture, payback for putting it in the what's it forum, there is a price you know -P
Have you ever gone to do something, and suddenly realized that:
A) Someone long ago taught you how to do that.
B) You then did it yourself, successfully.
C) You no longer have the faintest clue how you did it....
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Yes........
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Oh heck yes!! Many times.
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I'd call it a good looking woman...oh, you mean the tool, not the poster on the refrigerator....
I'd say some odd patent of a rasp, maybe for lead removal in bodywork???
You made my day!!!!!!! That's the first thing I saw!!!! all in good fun
cheers,
bird.
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Have you ever gone to do something, and suddenly realized that:
A) Someone long ago taught you how to do that.
B) You then did it yourself, successfully.
C) You no longer have the faintest clue how you did it....
Yes, and I've made wonderful discoveries about the best way to do something, an idea I just had to remember, and when I came to the same problem again, realized I forgot it after all...
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Time to time I wonder how often tools get used by trades other than the one they were designed for to do things the tool maker never knew about.
Can't begin to count the ceramicist's tools that began as something else. A lot of them began as kitchen tools and can now only be found in ceramics catalogs.
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Oldtools
You hit a nerve with the meat tenderizer / shrinking hammer! I've spent way to much time reading many so call experts bash the shrinking hammer! When I was in the senior autoshop back 1972-3 "WE" learned how to use one. Now you don't know how many times I've heard they don't work or they make a mess of the metal! Well it finally took me a while to learn enough computering to make it clear to all those internet dummies uhhh experts!
a snapshot from the Key to Metal bumping, oh how many of them quoted from it as the Bible of auto body repair. And somewhere I have a 1932 edition?
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Had to Looked up "Shrinking Hammer" to understand how it works,, very interesting.. now I understand the link to meat tenderizer & shrinking hammers... Got to try this technique on some sheet metal... I only used the torch technique to shrink before...
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Sitting here pondering, back in the dark ages when I was around Nola's age, probably my greatest source of learning was the Thomas Regional Directory. For those who don't know, Thomas's was a set of encyclopedia size books (please let them be old enough to remember encyclopedias) each between 2 and 3" thick containing the catalogs of most manufacturers.
I think Thomas is now on the Internet.
The set I had access to was at least 5 years old when I got to look through them, but most definitely not obsolete. I guess some inner voice within was telling me where my future would be, and something gave me the wisdom to learn all I could whenever I had a spare moment. I do remember it beat hell out of the mandated reading list the teachers assigned.
Had someone told me I'd someday sit at a keyboard behind a TV and have access to virtually all the world's information in nearly real time I don't think I could have envisioned it. Back then all information ended at the school library, perhaps the city library if one had access, which I didn't.
I sit wondering what the mechanism of information transfer between humans will be 50 years out.
I'm not sure I'd want to know even if I could. Sort of funny when I consider we still don't have the automatic flying car everyone was certain would come by 1975, or, for the most part, the convenient household robots that were just around the corner according to the TV ads from General Electric, where Progress was their most important product.