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Offline Branson

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Need a date
« on: January 30, 2014, 09:44:05 AM »
No, not that kind of date!   I need to get the start date for the Mickey Mouse ears rivet plate on try squares.  I need to convince a curator that these are not appropriate for mid 19th Century tools.

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Re: Need a date
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 05:40:43 PM »

Mouse ears appear in squares in J.B.Shannon's 1873 catalog....

http://books.google.com/books?id=umVNAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA55

That is as far back as I have found them thus far, it gets hard tho, illustrations before 1900 are awfull....
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Re: Need a date
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2014, 06:15:21 AM »
Thanks, Rusty!  Star brand, eh?  That's one I haven't run across before.  What is known about the Star brand company?

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Re: Need a date
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2014, 04:57:03 PM »
WOW!! 110 page catalog, great reading & tools!!!
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Offline rusty

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Re: Need a date
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 11:30:40 AM »

I finally had a chance to do a patent search. The idea in this case is not to look for the ears as a patented feature (not expecting to find them, and did not), but rather to look for attachments for try-squares and see that the illustrator drew as a 'typical' try-square in the drawing with the attachment.

Dates are not as refined as I hoped, but I lean toward middle of 1870's as a transition point...


Patent 91,892 of 1869 shows a pointed tri cornered reinforcing plate with 3 screws. This patent is for cutting the plate at a small angle, the rest of the square is claimed to be 'commonly available'

Patent 139,821 of 1873 shows an adjustable try-square with a 3 sided reinforcing plate, but it is pointed, and only has 2 screws, however, it can only have 2 screws as one of them acts as a pivot to calibrate it.

Patent 189737 of 1877 shows an attachment for a try-square. Presumably the square reflects what squares traditionally look line, since it is not part of the patent, it is just there to show what the attachment is attached to.
This patent shows a reinforcing plate with 3 screws, but it also has pointed corners, not mouse ears.

Patent 280,398 of 1883 distinctly shows mouse ears with round cornered plate. (This is another attachment, so presumably the square illustrates a common try-square)

NB: Earliest 'classic' design seems to be 18,327 of 1857 (S. Darling (Brown & Sharp?))

There are a number of squares shown throughout this date range that have plain 4 screw mounting with no plate, so this was not a universal design.
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Offline Branson

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Re: Need a date
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 08:09:59 AM »
What is the "classic" design meant here?
>NB: Earliest 'classic' design seems to be 18,327 of 1857 (S. Darling (Brown & Sharp?))

What I know is safe is the diamond shaped pattern rivet bolsters.  Those are shown in an 1812 carpentry book, and I recently located this pattern in a circa 1842 German tool catalog.

That's a lot of searching work for the examples you posted!  Thank you once again for your trouble.  I'm going to "lean" along with you  towards the middle of the 1870s as a transition point, which puts the issue to a fine enough point for my current purposes.  No Mickey Mouse squares before the end of the Civil War is all I actually need (at the moment).

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Re: Need a date
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2014, 05:01:26 PM »
Classic...this was Grandpa's...he made sure everyone knew that, his initials are stamped in the handle about 15 times :P

He seems to have half worn it out also, I suppose he liked things to be square.:)

This one just sleeps in the bottom of my machinists box....

PS: The depression in your handle is Traut's (Stanley) 1889 Design patent D28265
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