Stanley 45 etc big lot auction

[johnsironsanctuary]

This is a real bargain, if you can afford it. I can't.  Sniff, sniff, BAW!  It goes out in 6 hrs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Antique-Stanley-Combination-Plane-Parts-Collection-No-45-/20

[Papaw]

Gone. Removed for some reason.

[johnsironsanctuary]

OOPS! I didn't copy the whole URL.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Antique-Stanley-Combination-Plane-Parts-Collection-No-45-/200677539446?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb9503e76

[Jim C.]

Looks like a lot of good parts for different vintage #45s.  I'm not really a "parts" collector, but someone out there will be glad to get them.

[Branson]

Looks like a lot of good parts for different vintage #45s.  I'm not really a "parts" collector, but someone out there will be glad to get them.

Take another look, Jim C, I count at least six complete 45s, and two more that mostly just need arms. 

I think the lot is terribly cheap.  Time was, not so long ago, you'd pay that much for just one 45 with *most* of the parts.

[john k]

I didn't see many of the blades, but what I'm seeing are plane bodies in really good shape.   The nickel looks very good on most of them too.   If you read up on these planes you will find some of the writers have a problem with their multiplicity.   But once you start using one, it is easy to get attached.   I'd get them if i were able right now. 

[Branson]

Very easy to get attached.  I traded off an early one I had, but only because I had two more, later models.  One came in a leatherette case with a carrying strap, and a full set of blades in their wooden box.  The other has a few blades, but I pick up more from time to time.  I've needed to run hand t&g on occasion, and setting one for the tongue and the other for the groove is very handy.  Rabbeting and dadoing made simple, too.  Haven't tried the sash molding blade yet.

[Jim C.]

Looks like a lot of good parts for different vintage #45s.  I'm not really a "parts" collector, but someone out there will be glad to get them.

Take another look, Jim C, I count at least six complete 45s, and two more that mostly just need arms. 

I think the lot is terribly cheap.  Time was, not so long ago, you'd pay that much for just one 45 with *most* of the parts.

Hi Branson.  I think our respective definitions of "complete" are a little different.  Most #45 cutting irons aren't very difficult to find, nor are they real expensive, but in my book, they're a part of the plane.  I guess I see six nearly complete planes, a few with missing arms, and all missing a set of approximately twenty cutting irons, the screwdriver, and possibly other parts (depending on a particular plane's vintage) that are easy to miss without careful inspection.  I didn't notice a single iron in the entire lot.  That being said, it's very likely that you have a better eye for these old #45s than I do.  I only gave the pictures a quick glance, and very easily could have missed something.  I did notice that the seller advertised the planes as a "parts" lot.  I guess that got me thinking they were parts planes.  With a little cleaning, an inspection of the existing parts, and a set of irons, some look like good useable tools.

Jim C. 

[Branson]

>Hi Branson.  I think our respective definitions of "complete" are a little different.  Most #45 cutting irons aren't very difficult to find, nor are they real expensive, but in my book, they're a part of the plane.

I see what you mean.  It's a bit of a conundrum.  The combination planes lie in a sort of no man's land between planes and shapers or routers.  If a plane doesn't have an iron, it's not complete.  If a shaper is functional, it's complete even if it has no cutters.   But 45s came with a set of irons, and two pair of arms. 

The wooden plow planes present the same problem.  Mine came with one iron.  It would work.  I thought of it as complete, more or less, and I've accumulated a full set of the irons at this point, though from different makers.

Speaking of plow planes, somebody wrote about having one, but not all the irons.  I picked up three or four last summer that someone had handled up to make lathe tools.  I have to take them apart to be sure, but except for a hole drilled through for a rivet, they might be serviceable.

[johnsironsanctuary]

While we are talking about plane irons. I bought a set of six that look exactly like Stanley 45 irons except they don't have the little notch for the adjustment to hook on.  Anybody know what they fit?

[Jim C.]

>Hi Branson.  I think our respective definitions of "complete" are a little different.  Most #45 cutting irons aren't very difficult to find, nor are they real expensive, but in my book, they're a part of the plane.

I see what you mean.  It's a bit of a conundrum.  The combination planes lie in a sort of no man's land between planes and shapers or routers.  If a plane doesn't have an iron, it's not complete.  If a shaper is functional, it's complete even if it has no cutters.   But 45s came with a set of irons, and two pair of arms. 

The wooden plow planes present the same problem.  Mine came with one iron.  It would work.  I thought of it as complete, more or less, and I've accumulated a full set of the irons at this point, though from different makers.

Speaking of plow planes, somebody wrote about having one, but not all the irons.  I picked up three or four last summer that someone had handled up to make lathe tools.  I have to take them apart to be sure, but except for a hole drilled through for a rivet, they might be serviceable.

I'm also coming from a perspective of near insanity when it comes to old planes.  I'm totally crazy about making sure that EVERY single cutter, part, and box (when possible), is present and accounted for before I buy a plane.  Now days, I really just look at planes from a collector's point of view.  I try to buy the best I can afford, and they MUST be absolutely complete and have all correct vintage parts.  As mad as it may sound, a plane missing even a simple screw is incomplete, and therefore, just a "parts" plane to me.  What can I say?  They have to be right or I'll take a pass. 

Jim C.   

[Branson]

You don't have to say anything.  Just send your rejects to Sacramento. <grin>

[Jim C.]

In a perfect world, they'd all look like this:

[oldtoolguy]

While we are talking about plane irons. I bought a set of six that look exactly like Stanley 45 irons except they don't have the little notch for the adjustment to hook on.  Anybody know what they fit?

There's a few possibilities.  First, they could be early 45 blades, they didn't have notches.   If they're a little shorter they could be for a Stanley 50.  If they're as long or slightly longer than 45 blades they could be for a Siegley plane.

Mel 

[Branson]

In a perfect world, they'd all look like this:

Lovely!!  My Wards 45 looks close, though the shoulder bag is a little ratty. 

I've never encountered the screwdriver. It would be nice to have one.  I've been using a small perfect handle screwdriver.