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Sirs: a little Model T info please?

Started by strik9, July 22, 2012, 09:25:14 PM

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strik9

I am planning on recreating a Ford model T basic tool kit as best possible over the coming months.   Probably an early 20's version if possible.   I have decided to start with the pouch and need the dimentions.

If anyone has an original and could take a few measurements for me I would be most appreciative!

I have pictures ripped from google searches for appearances but sadly was unable to find the size.

The only bad tool is the one that couldn't finish the job.  Ironicly it may be the best tool for the next job.

john k

I don't have the size or a pic but, try the forum, The Ford Barn, there is a section for T's, give you all the info you can imagine.  luck.
Member of PHARTS - Perfect Handle Admiration, Restoration and Torturing Society

strik9

Thank you Sir, I will give them a try.
The only bad tool is the one that couldn't finish the job.  Ironicly it may be the best tool for the next job.

johnsironsanctuary

That would be a great question for the technical editor at The Vintage Ford. I'll be surprised if an article about it has not been published in the past.
Top monkey of the monkey wrench clan

strik9

The Ford Barn has a slew of car info but so far I am unable to find tool kit info.    Clearly more digging about will be needed.   Which will be my pleasure.

I will try The Vintage Ford site tonight. 

Thank you all for these clues, I never knew these sites existed.
The only bad tool is the one that couldn't finish the job.  Ironicly it may be the best tool for the next job.

1930

http://mafca.com/tqa_tools.html
I know its A, cant remember where the T was, the pouches are already being re-produced cheap I believe thru Snyders..........http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com          ............If thats not correct I can come up with the right info
Always looking for what interests me, anything early Dodge Brothers/Graham Brothers trucks ( pre 1932 or so ) and slant six / Super six parts.

johnsironsanctuary

1930 is correct. For $7.95 it is hardly worth making it unless you have more tools than the basic load.

http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/4362
Top monkey of the monkey wrench clan

keykeeper

#7
http://www.model-t-restore.com/tools.htm

This should answer your questions about the tools included.

Photo attached credit goes to the above website.
-Aaron C.

My vintage tool Want list:
Wards Master Quality 1/2" drive sockets (Need size 5/8), long extension, & speeder handle.
-Vlchek WB* series double box wrenches.
-Hinsdale double-box end round shank wrenches.

strik9

I was unable to get dimentions but there were enough good pictures there to get the look right , thanks guys.  I can work with that info now.

Now its time to laugh at  me.

I have been blindly buying any and all old  DOE wrenches I can find.  As well as receiving a few from a friend in the SoCal area.
   I found a bunch of No. 27 of different brands and never more of them to make sets.  Two are marked in Ford script logos and they were the choice finds.

   Of these the brands are:

  Armstrong Chicago, marked in USS and the 27
  Enderes, marked in SAE and 27C
  M circle, USS and 27, drop forged on the opposite
  Q or 0 6765D.B.27, no size markings
  Fairmount cleve.   , no size markings
  Ford U.S.A., M on the opposite, no size markings
  Ford (older script) , opposite has F, M circled and 4

All are oddballs to make sets and all are equal to No.27 wrenches that were in the car tool kits.

I couldn't see the forest for all the trees until tonight.  I have a decent selection already it seems.
I also  have a No. 23 with the Q number of that same style, but no mention in the T car kit of a 23 wrench.
The only bad tool is the one that couldn't finish the job.  Ironicly it may be the best tool for the next job.

rusty


The 'Q' wrench is a dodge wrench (thus 'DB')


Quite an assortment :)
Just a weathered light rust/WD40 mix patina.

strik9

Cool beans!  I'm accidentally more advanced in the future Dodge kit than the Ford I had planned.

And another quest is born!

Any idea of the time frames of the possible wrenches and the real Ford scripts?
The only bad tool is the one that couldn't finish the job.  Ironicly it may be the best tool for the next job.

BRwrench

The Ford USA wrench you have was used from 1931 to about 1941 (at that time the wrench was made thinner).

strik9

Thank you BR.   That would put it in A to pre-war era and not T territory.

Digging a bit more revealed two Barcalo-Buffalo 27 equivilents marked in SAE.   Possible car kit but later than '29 for sure.   
The only bad tool is the one that couldn't finish the job.  Ironicly it may be the best tool for the next job.

1930

Quote from: strik9 on July 28, 2012, 01:52:25 AM
Thank you BR.   That would put it in A to pre-war era and not T territory.
Actually it would be prior to 1928
Always looking for what interests me, anything early Dodge Brothers/Graham Brothers trucks ( pre 1932 or so ) and slant six / Super six parts.

strik9

Both the Ford scripts or just the USA marked one?    I really prefer the plainer one with the Ford to be the older but I would like to get this as correct as possible.

Speed and deadlines really don't matter on this as much as getting the right aged tools.
  I will probably have a local make the pouch for me out of naugahide with a kevlar liner.  My Ebuying powers are very limited so local is the preferred route to aquire things.
The only bad tool is the one that couldn't finish the job.  Ironicly it may be the best tool for the next job.