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Offline leach

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got a ?
« on: June 16, 2013, 09:33:56 AM »
when we say vintage it means 50 to 90 years old
and antique means 100 +years
or am i wrong, just want to hear your thoughts on it- when i looked up my old wrenches i founf last night at swap meet i got on ebay they say vintage but i also seen tools on ebay from the 70,s that said vintage.
ok thank you            LEACH
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Offline Branson

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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2013, 09:56:26 AM »
It's a matter of sloppy word usage combined with a lack of perspective of what constitutes "old," plain ignorance, maybe with a dash of misrepresentation.  I've seen things made in the '50s called antique.   

Back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, antique meant 80 years old or older.  Some make that 100 years or older nowadays.  Was there ever a standard set for "vintage?"  Old, but not antique seems to be the idea.  It's pretty vague.  For a lot of folks, vintage means something like "older than I am,"  and if they are 25, there's a lot of "vintage" stuff out there.

I got tired of trying to figure it out, so for most of my search parameters I just use "old."
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Re: got a ?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2013, 10:24:47 AM »
Antique always meant 100+
 Vintage never did mean anything more than, anywhere in between 100 year old and yesterday afternoon.
 Its just a sales tactic.
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Offline dowdstools

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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2013, 01:37:38 PM »
I agree with scottg about the definition of an antique. An item must be at least 100 years old to be considered an antique. For my purposes, as a dealer in "Vintage & Antique Tools", the "vintage" term is applied to tools no newer than those made in the 60s, yet not yet 100 years old. "Vintage" seems to apply differently in different categories. For instance, there are "vintage electronics",  i.e. record players, tape decks, etc. These are items that may only be 30 years old, or so, but the technology is obsolete.
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Offline 1930

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Re: got a ?
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 04:14:48 PM »
I have some late 20s early thirties autos, does that mean I have too stop calling them antique cars??? Me thinks not
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2013, 04:24:48 PM »
The State of Texas will register your 25 year old car, truck, or motorcycle as an antique. I don't agree, but I have an antique plate on my '78 BMW R 100/7.
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Offline rusty

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2013, 04:27:52 PM »
State will up here also.

Probably so people could register 70's muscle cars in the 90's as antiques...

Somehow a '76 Barracuda just doesn't seem in the same class as a 1910 franklin tho...
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Offline EVILDR235

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Re: got a ?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2013, 04:39:30 PM »
HEAVY DUTY is another word used to offen by shucksters.

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Offline Nolatoolguy

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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2013, 10:42:39 PM »
I always sorta wondered the same. I think it depends who exactly you talk to.
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Re: got a ?
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2013, 07:32:42 AM »
Quote from: EVILDR235 on June 16, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
HEAVY DUTY is another word used to offen by shucksters.

EvilDr235


Please define " shucksters"  , I use Vintage and Heavy duty when applicable .
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Offline 1930

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Re: got a ?
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2013, 02:43:32 PM »
Shukster, thats the same guy that says easily repaired
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Re: got a ?
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2013, 05:28:42 PM »
Vintage on ebay always bugs me. It can mean anything. To me vintage begs the question when, i.e. vintage 1930's.  Another one is "Very good condition for it's age".   Another one that doesn't show up as much as it used to "L@@K"
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Offline rustcollector

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2013, 05:58:17 PM »
I used to worry about all of this too. Nowadays, it really doesn't matter to me what words they use, just as long as the price is normal or around normal.
"Rare" is the only one that makes me laugh or frustrated when I see it.
 Really, that IHC HE911 wrench that there are currently at least 25 listings for on ebay, you consider to be rare?
I quit worrying about words used as much  because as a seller you need to do what you can do to draw people to the item.
Searching by category is a complete joke and waste of time, so you have to do it by words. "Old" "Vintage" "Antique" "Farm" or "Plow" combined with wrench seem to find most of the wrenches I'd be interested in on there. I check on "Cutout" and "Unusual" occasionally, but 99% of the time they will show up in the other searches anyway. I always try to remind myself to look for "Spanner" too, but rarely remember to do so.
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Offline rusty

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2013, 06:03:38 PM »
>"Very good condition for it's age".   

That's what I used to tell people about their cars when I didn't have the heart to tell them the really bad news about what it was going to cost to make it pass inspection ;P
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2013, 10:27:18 PM »
They can and often do say anything! Never buy a story.
My personal favorite is "This belonged to my grandmother". 

   Oh yeah, your granny bought it last year at K-mart, when she was drunk! 
 
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