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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: HeelSpur on July 05, 2014, 11:27:55 AM

Title: old saw
Post by: HeelSpur on July 05, 2014, 11:27:55 AM
Anybody recognize this? don't see any visible markings and there is some black paint still on it. Don't know if that's original or not.

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j368/wvabe/001-51.jpg)
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Title: Re: old saw
Post by: Bill Houghton on July 05, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
From here, it looks like a butcher's saw, but I can't help beyond that, and could, of course, be wrong.  I try to be wrong at least once a day, not generally a difficult goal to meet; maybe I got it out of the way early.
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: rusty on July 05, 2014, 01:56:14 PM
Does not match anything I have a picture of.

There are 2 very weird things about that saw.

The handle has no grip, and the wingnut is opposite the handle end.
Both are very rare features for hacksaws and butcher saws...

(round bar stock bent and squished is typical of some of the butcher saw old makers tho)
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: Chillylulu on July 05, 2014, 02:04:07 PM
Does not match anything I have a picture of.

There are 2 very weird things about that saw.

The handle has no grip, and the wingnut is opposite the handle end.
Both are very rare features for hacksaws and butcher saws...

(round bar stock bent and squished is typical of some of the butcher saw old makers tho)

Looks like a  modern hacksaw. Many have the tightening bolt on the far end.

Maybe this is newer and hand made by a blacksmith? That would explain all of Rusty's concerns.

Chilly

Title: Re: old saw
Post by: leg17 on July 05, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
I doubt blacksmith made.
Looks like a casting.
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: Chillylulu on July 06, 2014, 01:59:16 AM
I doubt blacksmith made.
Looks like a casting.
 
I see that, but CI wouldn't have the structural strength, imho. In compression it is almost as strong as some steel,  but tensile strength isn't much better than some bone.  You can't work it, hot or cold. A ductile iron maybe, but it would be a strange application. Still might not be strong enough.

Cast lines would have to have been been cleaned up very well, but do that and leave the sand texture?

Do you thing that texture could be from patina / rust? Paint can do that to steel.

Chilly

BTW I only ever claim 85% accuracy.  Better double check anything I bring up, just to be safe.

Title: Re: old saw
Post by: Bus on July 06, 2014, 03:56:39 AM
It's a dehorning saw . I have several. see Sellens' Dictionary of American Hand Tools page 402.
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: HeelSpur on July 06, 2014, 07:16:51 AM
Thanks bus, I looked up dehorning saws and found quite a few of them.
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: Branson on July 06, 2014, 09:32:55 AM
Commonly offered as hacksaws.  Here are a couple that are clearly manufactured by Disston.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/98243249/wood-handle-disston-hack-saw-made-in-the
http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/1hbkc/items/1148951/en1cyberattic.html
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: Chillylulu on July 06, 2014, 10:04:06 AM
I doubt blacksmith made.
Looks like a casting.

Good eye!

Mallable Cast Iron, not cast iron. Much stronger and more flexible than cast iron.
Japanned instead of painted.

Here is a reference on a strange website, notice how the moderator likes blood and gore: http://www.papawswrench.com/vboard/index.php?topic=246.0 

Chilly
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: Papaw on July 06, 2014, 10:23:55 AM
Thanks for the memories, Chilly!
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: Bus on July 06, 2014, 10:49:57 AM
Commonly offered as hacksaws.  Here are a couple that are clearly manufactured by Disston.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/98243249/wood-handle-disston-hack-saw-made-in-the
http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/1hbkc/items/1148951/en1cyberattic.html

The Etsy seller is wrong that's not a hacksaw blade in that saw. I guess you could somehow fit a hacksaw blade in one and use it as a hacksaw but they were listed in old hardware catalogs as dehorning saws. Quite a few of my wrenches have been used as hammers but I still call them wrenches not hammers.

Title: Re: old saw
Post by: jimwrench on July 06, 2014, 12:00:44 PM
 Sellens must have used this saw for his picture;its a dead ringer except his has the Atkins logo.
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: leg17 on July 06, 2014, 02:40:49 PM

 Quite a few of my wrenches have been used as hammers but I still call them wrenches not hammers.

Hey, there's only one real tool.
In the end, EVERYTHING is a hammer!
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: rusty on July 06, 2014, 03:56:54 PM
"Everything is a hammer....except a screwdriver, which is a chisel."

Title: Re: old saw
Post by: scottg on July 06, 2014, 05:37:47 PM
It's a dehorning saw . I have several. see Sellens' Dictionary of American Hand Tools page 402.

 Yup Sure 'nuff
  But they work just dandy for other jobs too.
 Cut up bandsaw blades for them.  You can cut up metal cutting or wood cutting bandsaw blades either one.

I keep a coarse 14tpi on mine, and use it on heavy soft metal like brass etc.
 Eats though a thick block of brass or copper, pretty quick.
yours Scott
Title: Re: old saw
Post by: Branson on July 08, 2014, 06:03:48 AM
The Etsy seller is wrong that's not a hacksaw blade in that saw. I guess you could somehow fit a hacksaw blade in one and use it as a hacksaw but they were listed in old hardware catalogs as dehorning saws. Quite a few of my wrenches have been used as hammers but I still call them wrenches not hammers.

To people who have no idea about de-horning,  these *look like* hacksaws.  It's not just the Etsy seller; most of the offerings I've seen identify this as a hacksaw.  If you're looking for one, your best chance is to search for hacksaws.