This was in our What's-Its, but I don't remember who showed it or if we determined what it is.

I think Bus said it was a patented hub nut wrench, I'll see if I can find the patent. The inner section grabs the nut and the outer section aligns on the outside of the hub.

I think it is patent number 206,721 patented August 6, 1878 by J. S. Gifford. It might have been Stan that identified it. I don't remember if it was Bus or Stan.

I found the cached original post with a Google search at
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_2oG4UEIzMYJ:www.papawswrench.com/vboard/showthread.php%3Ft%3D7850+tool+talk+206,721&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

I suppose most of the old posts can be found in Google's cache. I wonder how long they will
be available? The wayback machine also has the old pages cached but they are two years
behind posting them. If I had enough space on my server I could host the original posts there
but I don't.

The patent for the wrench is on DATAMP at:
http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?number=206721&typeCode=0


Here's a text only version of the first page of the forum. I couldn't find the second page.

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            Papaw  AdministratorCharter Member Join Date: Aug 2005Location:
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      Quote:I found you listed on the antique wrench site while
            researching my new find. Can you
            identify this, as a wrench or fence tool? Pat Brown - NM
      Guy named Pat Brown sent me pictures of a tool he needs an ID on. He
      thinks it may be a fencing tool. I did some digging, but came up
      empty.Attached Imageswrench 002.jpg (56.2 KB, 115 views)
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        02-17-2011, 04:57 AM
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      Very strange looking tool! What does it look like when it is in the open
      position?
      It appears to be a locking ratchet type clamping tool. Any marks on it at
      all?
      Are the inner Jaws both concave, as they appear, but are hard to see in
      the picture? How long is it? I'm trying to envision it working on a chain
      link, or barbed wire fence, but cannot see it yet.

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        02-17-2011, 05:56 AM
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      Really cool item.Looks like as you squeeze the handles the center closes
      to grip something and the outer jaws spread to expand something. The outer
      jaw length looks to be adjustable. Not a clue what it is
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        02-17-2011, 06:21 AM
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      All I have is the two pictures. No other info provided by the
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      Strange one there.
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      Looks like it's going to hold something apart. and expander.
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        02-17-2011, 02:20 PM
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      Maybe it grabs a joint of pipe by binding inside and outside? Looks to me
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        02-17-2011, 02:29 PM
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      surely that thing must have a patent if for no other reason just to tell
      us Johnny come latelys what it is. stranger and stranger.
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        02-17-2011, 03:59 PM
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      Stan Schulz e-mailed that what I have is the GIFFORD
      (http://www.datamp.org/patents/search...d=25321&set=13 ) pat. Aug. 6,
      1878. patent number 206,721 .
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      Welcome to Tool Talk, Pat!
      Stan Schulz found the patent-
      It is an axle nut wrench! Applied: Jun. 20, 1878
      Granted: Aug. 06, 1878
      Quote:This is one of those axle nut wrenches that clamps the nut to
            the wheel, so they can be turned off and back on to the axle as a
            unit. The center pieces clamp on the axle nut. The outer pieces are
            then clamped against the inner rim of the wheel hub.
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Bus, I am aware of the searches on Google. Those are good for copying old posta and I have used some. Too bad they don't have the needed files for the forum code so I could have used them in rebuilding.
Noel

Quote from: Papaw on May 02, 2011, 05:01:24 PM
Bus, I am aware of the searches on Google. Those are good for copying old posta and I have used some. Too bad they don't have the needed files for the forum code so I could have used them in rebuilding.
Noel

Were you able to pull those pictures from the "Cached" file?

Wayne

Google cache files usually expire 15 days from the time they were last spidered, they will vanish soon : (

I have about 130 threads (single page)  I managed to find, I wonder if it would make sense to make a small collection outside of the forum space? They aren't very large, (8M total) as the pictures in many of them (the only ones with working pictures) are linked offsite to imageshack etc...

There doesn't seem to be any way to put them back into the forum, but as stand alone web pages they work ok, and we could link to them

If you are interested papaw, I can try to clue them together into some kind of web archive....

[Yeah,130/5000 isn't great....but...sigh]

Noel
Does this new board have a backup in case something happens again?

Do that if you have time Rusty.

Yes, Bus, there are backups.