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Offline WSGSD

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Mystery Box
« on: December 10, 2015, 06:55:58 PM »
Found submerged in a pond in Western Massachusetts.  Exterior housing is severely deteriorated and brittle.  Metal, discolored cap on top.  Leather strap still attached to housing.  No model number, serial number or brand name found so far.  All metal. No plastic.  Label MADE IN JAPAN.  Can someone ID or direct me to a forum where stuff like this is identified?  Use this link, click on images, allow a moment to focus if needed.  http://1drv.ms/1IIoIye 

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Re: Mystery Box
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2015, 08:07:54 PM »
Builder's dumpy level or transit- currently replaced by cheap electronic gizmos.

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Re: Mystery Box
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2015, 08:43:54 PM »
From what I saw on Google, that is it.
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Re: Mystery Box
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2015, 08:49:25 PM »
Probably somebody just finished figuring out how much concrete needed to be chopped out and repoured because it was out of adjustment AGAIN.
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Re: Mystery Box
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2015, 09:40:23 PM »
Builder's dumpy level or transit- so where the cap is, connected it to a tripod or similar or a scope piece fit on top?  Estimate how old it is?  Any particular application it would have been used for?  Location where it was found was in a pond located between a now closed road and a railroad track. 

I looked on Google Images and of course the images show modern dumpy levels, so I narrowed the search "antique dumpy level or transit".  Closest comparison:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/230533775/vintagehayes-instrument?ref=market

 

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Re: Mystery Box
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2015, 04:43:54 PM »
Just from the shape, I'd say 70's thru 2000. 

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Re: Mystery Box
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2015, 05:02:10 PM »
Thanks geneg for your insight on everything!  Very informative.  As for the age, I'd lean towards the 70s era based on how deteiorated the exterior housing is.  I'm no corrosion analyst, but I'd suspect it takes longer than 15 years, hypothetically if from the year 2000, for the metal to disintegrate like that.  It hasn't been soaking in an acid bath, if you catch my drift.  Thanks for narrowing the timeframe though.   :cheesy:   

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Re: Mystery Box
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2015, 03:48:46 PM »
Depends on the water - clean, good water with high oxygen content, or in an area with varying water level ( so that the artifact is exposed to a water / air interface) is worst.  Could rust out in months.

In rotten standing stinky brackish water it will take longer.

It is a bit counter intuitive, but remember that rust is a metal oxide, and for it to rust it needs oxygen.

We deal in a lot of MIC now in fire sprinkler systems. Around a decade or si the EPA reduced the amount of chlorine added to water. We've seen steel pipe on city water rust through in as little as 9 months (about 1/8" thick) and it was galvanized pipe.

Corrosion happens in days or weeks, depending on conditions.  Your real question is how old it was when it was tossed in.

Won't affect value much if 70's or 90's, I would guess. 

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Re: Mystery Box
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2015, 08:11:21 PM »
Interesting.  Thanks for the insight "chilly".  The bit about water pipes rusting out got my attention.  Good science refresher too about the need for oxygen. 

The water level in the pond fluctuates seasonally.  Spring it's quite high.  Summer it goes down as is to be expected.  Fall is dependent on how much rain we get and winter is a result of what happens in the fall season.  It's a fresh water pond, but I have no idea of the water's quality.  It's got enough going on to support frogs and turtles, but that doesn't say much about water quality.  I've seen some very nasty, algae layered, stagnant, stinky water support all sorts of life. 

Unless a serial or model number is recovered from the item, I doubt we'll ever know how old it really is. Can only ballpark it.  To me, it is a unique find nevertheless.  Irresponsibly discarded survey equipment is a very rare find.  I see more TVs and computer monitors tossed roadside than I do survey equipment. Like "Aunt Phil" insinuated, it probably had bad calibration and the owner got ticked-off with it for the umpteenth time and heaved it into the pond.